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    Posted: 09 December 2018 at 16:24
If you LOVE strong mustache distortions this will make you happy!



I'm hoping a decent lens profile/correction will shave off the mustache! If it's really no good, it's no loss I'll try the 20 - or something else...
 



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Architecture with the Rokinon / Samyang 14/2.8? If you LOVE strong mustache distortions this will make you happy!

Really, this is a great sharp lens for landscape. For architecture I use the Minolta / Sony 20mm. (I'm an A-mount shooter.)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote igirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 December 2018 at 18:57
Thanks everyone - some very good info and very helpful..... But, for now I decided to go with a cheap Emount Rokinon 14mm - no AF but at least it's native and full frame.   If I decide I want a wide zoom instead I'll be looking at some of these other options, but for now it will at least help cover tight spaces or the special effect of WA when needed.    It was only $210 on Ebay so there's little to lose in trying it out!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote glefebvre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2018 at 18:49
Have you considered the Sigma 12-24mm D 1:4.5-5.6 DG lens? I have used it on my A7R with LA-EA4 and it does a good job. This is the version I lens not the version II. You might be able to find it in you price range.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2018 at 18:37
Thanks, I must not have tried those on the A7II yet. I'll have to see how the Sony E 20 F2.8 and Sigma 19 F2.9 DN Art compare to the Rokinon 24mm F2.8 now. Both copies of the Rokinon I have aren't very sharp, and my copies of the APS-C lenses are very sharp. The Rokinon is very good in the corners though compared to the legacy wide primes.

The Canon EF 22-55 F4-5.6 USM is another budget lens I've heard about. It was a kit zoom for APS cameras but seems to cover full-frame. It looks to be smaller than the 20-35 F3.5-4.5 zooms. The Minolta 20 F2.8 is already larger than I want.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 December 2018 at 17:41
I recently tried the APS-C Sony E mount 20 on my a7ii and it worked quite well - if you cropped to 8x10 you would probably be OK.



Similar can be said for the APS-C Sigma 19...



The Minolta/Sony AF20 is also good with the La-EA3, and manual focus is not too much of an issue.

Samyang do an AF14, but I'm not sure how much distortion there is for that one.

If you are not at all worried by distortion, the Zenitar 16 is relatively cheap and is easily adapted to FE mount...

 



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There's something to be said for a compact A-mount UW prime on the LA-EA3, given that MF is usually okay on UW shots. For static shots with no people moving about, you could also consider using the built-in panorama mode *with* the UW prime to cover the occasional wider-than-normal-wide scene. I find that using portrait mode panorama (down) works very well as an alternative to the UW zoom.

The only UW zoom I've tried which I have found to be sharp is the Sigma 10-20 f3.5-4.5/whatever - and it's very sharp - but that's APS-C only and quite big to put on an adapter, so the Minolta 20mm looks a good bet if you can find a nice one that's affordable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2018 at 22:30
An absolutely reliable and sharp contender would be the Zeiss Distagon F/3.5 18mm - which is easy to adapt whether it comes as a ZF/ZF2 (Nikon) or ZE (Canon) lens. It's all manual, though (what is not that important, IMO, given the large DoF). I have seen quite a number now that go used for Euro 400-500 on ebay.

I had one for some time but then decided to keep the Tokina F/3.5 17mm instead (and finance some other lens by selling it).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 9000AF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2018 at 18:26
The best ones I've found on a $300 budget are the Minolta 20mm f/2.8 RS (mentioned above) and the Samyang/Rokinon 14mm f/2.8. The 14mm benefits from some mild cropping, needs to be carefully leveled and angled to keep vertical lines straight (a reason why I used it very little and sold it). The only downside of the 20mm is that it is not that wide. Both lenses are sharp at f/5.6 - f/8.

I have not found a cheap zoom with decent corners for real estate. The Tamron/Minolta 17-35mm f/2.8-4 is just not sharp in the corners at any aperture between 17 and 20mm.

The Minolta 20mm RS is my widest non-fisheye lens on the A99ii and A7 (w/ LA-EA4), it's small and easy to drop in the bag. IMO, one of the best bargains out there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2018 at 19:54
There is also a Voightlander 15/4.5 in Leica thread on Ebay at $249 with no current bids. This is an earlier copy than the version III that I'm using on the a7. From memory, this model had issues with the sensor in first generation a7 and 7r's. You'd have to research to see if performance has improved with the latest sensor on the a7III.

However, that price is good, even adding in the necessity of an adapter. Three days left on the auction gives you a chance to read up on reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2018 at 19:53
I had the same thoughts and since a year been using a 12mm f/5.6 Voigtlander M-mount (L39) lens on the A7. Not dirt cheap, bought mine for 250 euro.

Good mixture of ultrawide architecture shots (somewhat cropped from FF) or a bit goofy un-cropped.
I do not use it very often, but when I do I like it that it takes me out of my comfort-zone and can get some true great results

I love my Loxia 21, but that is on the other side of the budget spectrum you talking about

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Post Options Post Options   Quote igirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2018 at 19:52
Thanks everyone so far for the ideas! Native FF would be preferable.... I do have the LAEA3 adapter already and for real estate/landscape etc. manual focus is no problem.

Yes, I'm seeing a lot more used A Mount availability from Japan - but usually in much better condition at lower prices than the same lenses sold in the US. I've bought from Japan on Ebay before and it's usually worth the wait. Very good quality.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2manycamera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2018 at 19:41
I just took a look on eBay, and there are several Tokina ATX 17mm 3.5's available in your price range, though all are from Japan. I owned this years ago, and always found it a versatile performer at F8-11, usable at all other apertures.

Check the reviews on the lens data base here at Dyxum, and you will see that, overall, it has good user reviews. Obviously you will need an adapter to use it on E mount, if you don't already have one. That could change the affordability of this choice. The Samyang 12/2 is also in your price range and has the advantage of native E-mount. Since its APS-C, you get an equivalent 18mm field of view.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2018 at 18:34
If you want a budget ultra wide that is sharp wide-open you will likely have to try several. I haven't found one yet. My sharpest one so far is a Minolta 20 F2.8 RS. It does have the benefit of Lens Compensation support in A7 bodies so I can get corrected JPEGs in camera.

For reference my Samyang 12 F2 has better image quality on my A6000 despite having a wider angle-of-view on a smaller format.

The Samyang AF FE 14 F2.8 might be a better option than the APS-C zooms.

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