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Post Options Post Options   Quote madcat207 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2012 at 14:41
Sorry, but any seller who has to steal pictures from another auction, for a $1000 lens, SHOULD have their listing closed. Pictures of the item is the only proof a buyer has to verify the item is real and in the conditions specified (especially with zero feedback, since you hace no proof whatsoever he conducted good business before). I mean really, using stolen pictures is fraud; you aee saying the item you are selling is in the pictures, but it is not. That is complete misrepresentation..

If you cannot be bothered to do an expensive auction right, and without stealing, then you should not be selling in the first place..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blinztree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 March 2012 at 08:22
Originally posted by madcat207 madcat207 wrote:

Sorry, but any seller who has to steal pictures from another auction, for a $1000 lens, SHOULD have their listing closed. Pictures of the item is the only proof a buyer has to verify the item is real and in the conditions specified (especially with zero feedback, since you hace no proof whatsoever he conducted good business before). I mean really, using stolen pictures is fraud; you aee saying the item you are selling is in the pictures, but it is not. That is complete misrepresentation.

If you cannot be bothered to do an expensive auction right, and without stealing, then you should not be selling in the first place..
There is a remote possibility that the mentioned image may belong to him. We'll never know for sure unless one goes to investigate him closer to find out for sure.

For example; I have two eBay accounts; one for buying/ selling my personal stuff and the other for buying/ selling my company's stuff and it's all legal.

If I were to copy one of my company's images and use it for my personal account or vise visa, will that be considered as fraud?

I know of at least a few trustworthy sellers on eBay with more than an one account (one for the US market and One for the Australian market) and images are identical. Would that be a case of complete misrepresentation?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blinztree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 March 2012 at 11:01
Originally posted by blinztree blinztree wrote:

There were also a few outlandish offers made by Chinese sellers last year and it sounds too good to be true.

Yes, I did bid on them.
Yes, they ALL did arrived.
Yes, they were as described in the Offer.
Yes, I was also prepared to lose a few quid for the sake of testing their credit.

So it's really up to you, the Buyer to wanting to take the risk
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However, it is now impossible to buy the Eneloops from the Korean seller for the same prices anymore as he has already established his reputation over a period of just a few months by using the starting bid $0.99 for his offers.

I like to call the 600w strobe a beast because it arrived in a beat-up box and survived without any damages.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote blinztree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 March 2012 at 06:54
Maybe I am beating up a dead horse, but seriously... have anyone of you who have labeled this Seller a scam actually did your homework before you reported to eBay?

That means, you did the work to find the original owner of the mentioned image, ask if the mentioned Seller had permission to use the image?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blinztree Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 13:45
Well, I have been keeping watch on this seller and the buyer has left feedback two days ago that he has not received the purchase. Well done, Lads but I still feel that one needs to do the homework first. Otherwise, if it's too good to be true, it is.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote waleskeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 13:59
It's been my experience at doing the fleabay thing for going on 10 years that when a newbie from China uses identical photos from a well established Asian seller, something's not right. Thanks for the update.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blame Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 17:17
If the photo is a duplicate from another ad then you should report it. If there is a legitimate reason let Ebay go for it - it is their website to protect and their profits.

Paypal does NOT guarantee sales. If you look in the small print they just promise to try to get you money back. If the seller transfers his money out of the account and disappears then so has your money.

Go with a seller with established feedback (and it is well worth reading it to see if it for reasonably priced items) and you are a lot safer.

I sell on ebay and I value my 100% feedback because it ups my prices. If I get it wrong I offer whatever I must to protect it - up to immediately returning all money including postage And telling the customer to keep the goods. I am sure most established traders in used goods with 100% feedback do the same.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 17:40
Originally posted by Blame Blame wrote:

Paypal does NOT guarantee sales. If you look in the small print they just promise to try to get you money back. If the seller transfers his money out of the account and disappears then so has your money.

I'm sure that's not right at all. If you can point out the fine print saying that on this page, I'll reconsider.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mstaben Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 18:15
I knew it was a scam as soon as I saw it. No question about it. All this arguing is surprising, there's simply no way any auction with these hallmark signatures screaming "SCAM" will ever be legit - homework or not.

Furthermore, I think that if one fails to assist Paypal (e.g. report the potentially bad deal within 21 days before the funds have been released to a low-feedback seller) and Paypal loses its money, Paypal isn't going to just give you your money back as easily as you think. I think they'll fight you for it.

That said, it's probably safer to check out a scam from a zero/low feedback seller than one that has an established reputation whose account has been hacked.

Last, I'm sure the buyer of that lens knew what he was doing - and figured the risk was worth the reward - but this time it was all risk no reward - I could see that right away.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote waleskeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 April 2012 at 18:23
Originally posted by mstaben mstaben wrote:

I knew it was a scam as soon as I saw it. No question about it. All this arguing is surprising, there's simply no way any auction with these hallmark signatures screaming "SCAM" will ever be legit - homework or not.

Furthermore, I think that if one fails to assist Paypal (e.g. report the potentially bad deal within 21 days before the funds have been released to a low-feedback seller) and Paypal loses its money, Paypal isn't going to just give you your money back as easily as you think. I think they'll fight you for it.

That said, it's probably safer to check out a scam from a zero/low feedback seller than one that has an established reputation whose account has been hacked.

Last, I'm sure the buyer of that lens knew what he was doing - and figured the risk was worth the reward - but this time it was all risk no reward - I could see that right away.



Appears this buyer is an established, experienced Minoltian. Am not sure why he fell for this one though.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote homeranger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2012 at 17:35
Personally I have had good luck with a Hong Kong company, T-Dimension. Their communication was superb and they shipped really fast. They also threw in a bunch of freebies like a UV-filter, duster etc. They seem to do a lot of business with the folks down-under.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote farfisa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2012 at 17:30
I understand some people want to take your money, but why, oh why, do they have to play with our hearts?

I think any top lens that's for sale in China that ONLY ships to North America, Australia or Europe is more than a little suspect.

I'll bet anybody this one's a fake too : http://www.ebay.com/itm/Minolta-35mm-F-1-4-Lens-/160789573386?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item256fce2f0a
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mstaben Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2012 at 20:34
I just asked a question about being able to reduce import duties/tax. Lets see what comes back :)


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Post Options Post Options   Quote farfisa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 April 2012 at 20:51
I was thinking of something like that too.

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