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    Posted: 30 October 2018 at 13:20
My wife and her sister will be doing a Baltic cruise in May next year and I would like her to take some images whilst she is enjoying herself and I am stuck at home

She is not a photographer and only knows the basics about photography, so I don't want to "scare" her off to the point where she uses just her cell phone.

My first thought was to let her take my A77ii with the 16-80, but I know she thinks even that is too big to lug around, so then I thought perhaps an A6500 with a suitable quality lens. This would also give me a step into mirrorless with the thought of getting rid of my A77ii. I know a bridge or point and shoot would be better for her, but I want something that I will be using at a later date.

So I need some advice. Good idea or not, and which E lens do you suggest, considering she will be shooting jpeg and probably in Auto a lot of the time. I do not have the budget for an A7iii.

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Edited by ABDurbs - 30 October 2018 at 13:37
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I recommend the A6300 + 18-135 OSS combo if buying new. I can't see the larger buffer and the in-body stabilization of the A6500 being worth the premium in this situation. Are you thinking the A6500 because of the touch-screen?

I might bring the A6000 with the 18-55 OSS + 55-210 OSS.

Also consider the A5100 + 16-50 OSS which is very compact, affordable, and has the touch-screen. I believe an RX100 is somewhat better than that combination, but the RX100 doesn't let you use other lenses, and most of them lack a touch-screen.

My prime recommendations are the Sony E 20 F2.8 pancake and the Sigma 30 F2.8 DN Art. Both are very good for general use and landscapes. Both would benefit from the stabilization in the A6500.

Edited by QuietOC - 30 October 2018 at 14:06
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I recommend the A6300 + 18-135 OSS combo if buying new. I can't see the larger buffer and the in-body stabilization of the A6500 being worth the premium in this situation. Are you thinking the A6500 because of the touch-screen?

I might bring the A6000 with the 18-55 OSS + 55-210 OSS.

Also consider the A5100 + 16-50 OSS which is very compact, affordable, and has the touch-screen. I believe an RX100 is somewhat better than that combination, but the RX100 doesn't let you use other lenses, and most of them lack a touch-screen.

My prime recommendations are the Sony E 20 F2.8 pancake and the Sigma 30 F2.8 DN Art. Both are very good for general use and landscapes. Both would benefit from the stabilization in the A6500.

I hadn't thought of the A6300, but price wise that may be a good choice. I do note that it on has lens stabilisation.
The RX100 is better, but I would not use it when she got back.
I would have to go with a single zoom as she will not want to change lenses or carry extra lenses around.
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Edited by ABDurbs - 30 October 2018 at 14:18
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I think the A6000/6300/6500 with the 18-135 will be a good choice for casual photographers. The body depending on the need for AF, IBS, 4K etc. I do not have an opinion on the A5100.

I find these small APS-C E-mount cameras a good small addition to DSLR-sized systems for after the trip.

Did you consider one of the RX10 series?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 14:49
The A6000 + 18-135 OSS combo would be good, but Sony doesn't offer that combination as a discounted kit.
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Is she going to want to take selfies? If yes, then you may want to consider the A5000 series bodies. The LCD can flip up 180 degrees for selfies. If not, then like others have suggested, the A6000 series are good choices.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote morph1970 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 15:54
Ive been on a cruise with a the a6300 and just the 35mm F1.8 and it did a great job. But I did add a Zoom for more convenience, I went for the 16-70 F4 but any of those suggested would be good.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 17:53
Originally posted by al al wrote:

Is she going to want to take selfies? If yes, then you may want to consider the A5000 series bodies. The LCD can flip up 180 degrees for selfies. If not, then like others have suggested, the A6000 series are good choices.

And if considering used cameras the metal-bodied NEX 5R or 5T too. They have more flexible touch-screens than the A5100, but still flip forward for selfies. My F3's screen flips forward too and the 3N does too.

I did enjoy the simple, plastic A5000. It has the best battery life which might be important. I might trade my A6000 for an A5100.

Edited by QuietOC - 30 October 2018 at 17:58
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 18:12
I guess I'm going to be the one to think the unthinkable and say that most of the above options are poorly suited to the target user.

If she isn't a photographer she's going to be using the camera on auto all the time (any deviations from this will probably give poor results) so picking an enthusiast-level camera won't help her.

I would also (politely!) suggest that trying to choose a camera for yourself which she can use is also not necessarily going to be best for her.

Plus if she's anything like the women I know (I guess she might not be!) the camera will have to compete for space with a lot of other things on or around her person.

I feel sure she won't be pixel-peeping either ...

I would therefore recommend a pocket point-and-shoot camera which has decent IQ and good performance (there are lots), and simple controls with a reasonable scene selection menu easily accessed.

IF she's really going to give this back to you afterwards then you could pick an enthusiast level camera which has a PASM dial (and pay the extra cost), and again there are lots to choose from, but the basic ones are quite cheap and the results are surprisingly good most of the time. The latest jpeg algorithms, scene selections, AWB and AF are very good. Plus if she loses it, drops it, or gets it wet you haven't lost a fortune.

And you can spend the time showing her how to use the scene modes instead of what shutter speed and aperture mean ...

Just my view, anyway!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote al Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 18:27
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I did enjoy the simple, plastic A5000. It has the best battery life which might be important. I might trade my A6000 for an A5100.
I'd trade an A5100 for an A6000. The A5100 doesn't have the fn button nor a viewfinder. Although I like the A5100 for it's size. But if I want to bring a small camera, I'd bring my RX100iii.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 18:51
Originally posted by al al wrote:

Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I did enjoy the simple, plastic A5000. It has the best battery life which might be important. I might trade my A6000 for an A5100.
I'd trade an A5100 for an A6000. The A5100 doesn't have the fn button nor a viewfinder. Although I like the A5100 for it's size. But if I want to bring a small camera, I'd bring my RX100iii.

I still haven't gotten used to that new Fn menu--I miss the old Fn menu. I know I probably need to take some time and customize it to my own preferences on both cameras--argh. I am often using the full menus.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Atom Ant Oz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2018 at 23:09
I have to agree with Miranda F.

I know I would lose brownie points from my wife if I were to pretend that I bought my A6500 & SEL18135 so that she'd have something to take on her holiday. As she would not want to change lens, having an ILC just adds unnecessary bulk compared to a compact.

She has used my RX100 & my LX100, both on their most Auto settings, but she has shown no interest in exploring their capabilities.

If you want an A6x00 for yourself, buy it, but don't try to BS your wife with the line that it's for her cruise.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2018 at 00:16


I'd rather hold an A5x00 than an RX100. These are compacts just with the ability to change lenses.

Edited by QuietOC - 31 October 2018 at 00:21
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Coast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 October 2018 at 01:10
Hello Durbs;
I have a suggestion, send her off w the 16-50 kit lens on an a6500. The oft derided powerful little kit lens IMHO might be perfect for her. It is powerful; it has power- zoom, in lens stabilization, auto focus, lite weight very compact. I have the Zeiss 16-70 and most of the time I'm hard pressed to tell, without pixel-peeping, which lens took which picture

I have 2 cameras the a6000 and then upgraded to the powerful a6500 which isn't much like the 6000. Just hold ea in your hands its immediately noticeable. I feel it's more like a full frame camera w an asp-c sensor than an a6000 upgrade. One note I thought the Zeiss was pretty awful w the 6000. I have found it to be a spectacular combo on the a6500. It is basically my walk around. I do use the kit when I'm in crowded situations like sports events or parades etc.

I do operate on my 2 basic principles, because I'm an outdoor, traveling photographer: "keep it simple s____d!" hence basically 1 camera, and____"travel lite", therefore the powerful, lite-weight compact 6500 which uses the more lite-weight more compact lenses.

Which brings me to the reason I can not recommend any Sony asp-c camera because Sony seems to refuse to make any asp-c lenses for them and I refuse to buy a heavier more expensive, larger FE lens, which is the reason I buy asp-c to begin with. There isn't 1 adequate tele-zoom out there for it. They continually come out w new full frame FE lenses, nothing for us. I feel like a forgotten orphan.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents as an a6000 and a6500 owner. I still Love my 6500 ❤️
All the Best_____Coast

PS. My other favorite lens for it is my Rokinon 12mm f/2 ultra wide
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