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arj
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Topic: A700 AF sensor despairPosted: 19 January 2012 at 21:18 |
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I have my trusty A700 and see some odd behaviour with it recently. The AF is becoming a hit and miss thing. I have seen this quite a lot with my Sigma 100-300mm f4 lens and the matched Sigma 1.4x teleconverter. What will happen is that sometimes I get great results and sometimes just get an unsharp image.
I am using 99% of the time the center AF spot for my photos, to get a quick lock on my subject (aircraft). I shoot in apperture priority and despite the TC I am able to keep the shutter way above 1/800. My question is - is something wrong with my AF sensor? Is there any need to clean it from time to time and if yes, how? Thanks for any advise on this issue |
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Fuzzphoto
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Posted: 19 January 2012 at 21:24 |
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It's a possibility. Try aiming a rocket blower into the AF chamber in cleaning mode.
But I'm inclined to suspect the secondary mirror. It might be jamming somehow at times, not returning to its resting position. The mechanism is quite fragile, and I can't really offer any tips on how to check it, but it's the second thing I'd be looking at. |
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 00:08 |
I agree with Fuzzphoto - that might be the problem, but it seems like a long shot. |
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arj
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Posted: 31 January 2012 at 21:58 |
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It seems to me that the issue is a bit more complex, but slowly I am getting the feeling that its not the AF sensor but the sensor itself.
Several reasons: - shots with a very short exposure are prime sharp. I was shooting the moon last night and got extremely good results as long as I kept the exposure above 1/200 (mounted on a tripod). As soon as I tried a long exposure it got blurrier. - same for macro shots - with my lens at f32 I should get extreme DOF but with the longer exposure I got again a blury image. Reducing exposure signifficantly improoved the image Tested both with SSS off and on. Not that I would recently see the SSS providing any improvement to my images. Interestingly - looking at the subject via the viewfinder is focused accurately and clearly shows a very good focus. When on short exposure this translates in a crisp image. So the big question is if the sensor could be "loose" and moving slightly causing the longer exposure shots to be more blury. Could the SSS be defective causing this? |
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Posted: 31 January 2012 at 22:20 |
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Motion blur (a defective SSS system) can be discerned from out-of-focus blur. Post some snippets and let us have a look.
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Posted: 31 January 2012 at 22:26 |
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at f32 there will be a lot of diffraction blurring. It is difficult to say that this is anyway the cause of the problem but it will certainly have a very detrimental effect. I cant go over about f13 with my 100mm macro on my a700, at long exposures this combind with shake will give very nasty results at f 32.
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Posted: 31 January 2012 at 22:46 |
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Something to consider.
I have found that TCs make last minute AF changes more likely to happen. One version is continuous micro twitch - which you would notice. The other is AF pausing briefly before making an AF adjustment, as though the camera needs longer to process with TC attached. My Sigma 180 macro with 1.4x TC is quite prone to do this. I don't mean hunting and overshooting. I mean move pause move pause move without reversing as it zeros in to lock. I have had an adjustment start just as I released the shutter. Even if I don't see the adjustment in the VF, I hear it. AFC rather than AFS can add to the problem since a small change can restart AF with a pause. |
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 01:20 |
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Does the matching Sigma TC report corrected focal length to your camera? If it misreports (for example) maximum zoom as 300mm instead of 420mm, then that would presumably reduce the accuracy of the SSS.
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 13:06 |
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Ok, I had limited time and subjects so I tried it quickly now with my Sigma 105mm f2.8 lens but the behaviour seems to be same with other lenses so I suspect it is a camera issue. All shots made from tripod, MF, SSS off.
First image at f2.8, 1/1250, looks prety ok ![]() Second image at f5, 1/500, still sharp, better DOF ![]() Third image at f8, 1/160, still good sharpness ![]() Fourth image at f14, 1/50, the sharpness is gone, everything seems blured ![]() fifth image at f22, 1/20, it gets even worse from here ![]() Any ideas what is out of whack? |
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 13:16 |
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Hi Arj, that looks like typical diffraction blurring. Although the sony/minolta is supposed to be very very good i notice it happening one stop earlier on those lenses than either the sigma 105 or the tamron 90. Diffraction limitations should be independent of lens, but dependent on the maginification and f stop so in theory there should be no difference between the 4 lenses as to where the diffraction starts (at minimum focal distance of 1:1).
However if you set the lenses on manual the minolta/sony version also seems to give about a 2/3 stop difference in exposure, but is sharper earlier than the tamron and sigma, and i have a sneaking suspission that f11 on the minolta is actually closer to f14 on the sigma and tamron. Of coruse the quality (sharpness) of the lens must play some part in this too. Generally your findings are pretty similar to those i see with the a700 on the minolta original, RS and sony D version of the lens. Unfortunatly i dont have a suitable example of the minolta/sony to post at work so this is about the nearest... ![]() taken with the sigma (your lens) where you can sort of see the blurring happening after f8 but more apparent at f16, the sony does the same just a little bit earlier but is slightly sharper at f2.8. Incedently, it may be good to mention that diffraction blurring like this is a natural phenomenon of light and in no way a fault in either the lens or the caemera. Tim Edited by tpetpe - 01 February 2012 at 14:07 |
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 13:38 |
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Could just be your shutter speeds are too slow. Remember, the moon is always moving so anything slower than the 1/200 you cited could be blurred. As for the macros, even though you used a tripod, the slower speeds could be affected by mirror slap. Have you tried the two-second timer on the macros? Also, I think f32 is a bit extreme. A lens's sweet spot is usually around f11-f16.
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 13:52 |
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The shots were done with the wireless remote to minimize any vibration. I am kind of confident that this is caused by the long exposures. I will try today to make some night shots with the 50mm 1.7 Minolta and post them here.
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 13:57 |
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arj it really does look like diffraction , you could try the same f stops with and without flash to exclude exposre time / mirror slap (thx Bob So)/ motion blurr etc. though.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm Tim Edited by tpetpe - 01 February 2012 at 14:07 |
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Posted: 01 February 2012 at 14:01 |
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You'll still get mirror slap with the wireless remote.
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