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    Posted: 04 August 2016 at 04:11
Any speculation on when we will see the next iteration of the A7 series and what features it will/should have?   Will we all feel relatively deprived?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TheEmrys Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 04:27
Nope. Nothing, for once. But Photokina is just around the corner.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 06:38
If anything, Photokina will give us an A9 and/or A99ii - no A7iii. And as usual some people will feel deprived one way or another, it is just human nature.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote der dickgg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 07:56
Please Sony, give us an Alpha 100 body with A6300 technique. I can wait 'till next Photokina!

But more realistic, hope to see more development in A-mount. Not back to DSLR, not even SLT, but modern techniques in more traditional bodies. A99 II, A68 and A78 could be a nice line-up.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote MichelvA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 08:05
With the A7R-2 Sony really hit it imo. This camera has a great sensor among other things. Maybe Sony would be tempted to put it in the A99-2 although one could wonder if the world would expect even more in a 9 series camera. With all the developments of AF sensors on the image sensor i wonder if we will see the mirror back.
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Doubt we'll see the mirror come back with Sony, question is how long it will take CaNikon to drop it. Another question with Sony is how long even the SLT will last with focus on sensor, and that discussion belongs in the A99II thread.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 09:31
To learn about one of the most extensive speculations on this topic look at this video from minute 3:37 and 7:02 and 12:06 on! Let's call it the "Photokina-oracle"!

Edit: There is a "RIP"-section from 14:31 on - well, that's about A-mount (among other topics).

Edited by waldo_posth - 04 August 2016 at 09:42
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I think the mirror will stay (at least in high end DSLR) until such time as the AF systems of mirrorless cameras catches up with regards to depth tracking speed.

I wouldnt see it coming back for Sony - they are getting closer and wouldnt want to be seen to going back to a mirror, and back to mirrorless again afterwards.

That said, they may stick it out with SLT for 1 more generation.... as usual, who knows!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 15:56
There are any number of technical issues with on sensor focusing and Sony's range of legacy SlR lenses:

- PDAF on sensor gives an approximation of distance and direction, CDAF finishes the job
- PDAF on sensor needs a certain type of lens and configuration about how that lens behaves when out of focus
- Sony's slr lenses are often screw drive, and slr lenses are nit designed for the types of motion needed by mirrorless syatems

Etc

That's not to say that things might not change, but the A mount and E mount cameras systems differ by more than the presence of a mirror.

As for an A7mk3 - what would they put in it? As far as I can tell, the actually difference in technical specification to the A7R2 is fairly minor - better evf, continuous eye focusing, resolution. If you want to see "what next" for the A7 series its better to look at the A6300, since most previous improvements were migrated from the A6000 which was the first E mount camera to offer speedy AF, high fps etc. Video features and better EVF for tracking and some continuous focus tracking improvements seem to be next for the A7 series. Sony made it clear with each iteration the development time only allows them to improve specific areas with each generation. One might guess that a newer sensor to replace the 24mp unit, with more pdaf points and maybe slightly more resolution and some design and wiring tweaks.

As for when... Not this year?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote waldo_posth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2016 at 17:37
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

There are any number of technical issues with on sensor focusing and Sony's range of legacy SlR lenses:

- PDAF on sensor gives an approximation of distance and direction, CDAF finishes the job
- PDAF on sensor needs a certain type of lens and configuration about how that lens behaves when out of focus
- Sony's slr lenses are often screw drive, and slr lenses are nit designed for the types of motion needed by mirrorless syatems

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In the context of speculating about the future of legacy a-mount lenses and their adaptability to E-mount I have come across this kind of summary quite frequently. After reading quite a number of threads on this issue I am still not convinced that Sony will not be able to provide a solution to adapt screw-driven legacy glass to E-mount and its second gen PDAF system. Obviously this has worked for screw-driven Contax G lenses that have been adapted to the A7x II cameras - so why not for Sony/Minolta legacy lenses?

I don't want to sidetrack the discussion, but whatever the next release of Sony full frame mirrorless cameras will bring (75 MP??) I still think that any upgrade might involve a true A/E-hybrid solution - or at least a LA-EA5 enabling PDAF for screw-drive lenses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pallanza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 August 2016 at 09:35
The German photo journal "Color Foto" is publishing a test of AF quality of some cameras (accuracy, speed etc.), which looks pretty serious.

The A7r ii is on rank four, behind Olympus and Pentax.
So there still is room for improvement.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote karaatanasov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2016 at 00:03
Not before 2018.

A7 ii series was more of an urgent bugfix upgrade of the original A7 series to fill in critical gaps and ship some new technology. I think Sony rushed A7R ii to patch up the shutter shock issues of A7r original.

A7ii, A7Sii and A7Rii cameras just won some prizes for best full frame cameras.

There is no apparent reason for Sony to rush the 3rd generation.

However A9 and A99 series badly need some presence. The 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 do not look at home on the small A7ii series. Also there is no dual card support, no touchscreen, no joystick on these small cameras. A9 series camera with these fixes could be match for 5d mk4 and possible D8x0 update. So A9 and A99 seem much more probable in the next 12 to 24 months than any A7 camera.

PS Also note that Sony has been selling a lot of cameras to Canon owners that craved more dynamic range. So they could ship the ultra cheap A7 bodies betting solely on the amazing sensors - the body itself is a lot simpler and cheaper than D7200 or 80D even. With 5D mk4 coming with similar IQ as A7Rii except resolution, Sony will feel the heat. Sony will need to put together camera that can match 5d mk4 in most aspect and then add something on top.

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I would like to see a more retro style DSLT body, I love the look of the Dynax 7D with the two control wheels. much better to look at rather than a flat top with one dial.

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What I think rather than what i'd like.
Full Pro level body as they already have other area's covered.
Mirrorless, there is no way they will go backwards in time.
More pixels, this would be how to tempt the medium format people over until they have MF body worthy of release.
Larger body, needed for bigger battery which is a must in Pro body.
Bigger buffer for extremely fast frame rate.
AF likely to be at the very least equal to A7R2, most likely well above that.
EXPENSIVE. This is not going to be cheap so don't expect to see huge numbers of people buying it, this will be aimed at full on pro's.
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