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Post Options Post Options   Quote brooker T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2012 at 00:01
I just copied them so nothing has been moved. They don't show up when I go to the camera calibration module anyhow. I think maybe there is something wrong with my copy of LR. I will send Adobe a note.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote dennismullen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2012 at 15:21
Originally posted by mikey2000 mikey2000 wrote:

I baked up two dual illuminant profiles (Daylight/Shade and Daylight/Tungsten). These seem to behave much better! I think I'm getting close to being happy now....

The profiles are here and here.

For general use, most light I find myself in would be caught between those two spreads. For special situations with difficult or unusual, I will still shoot a special one-off colour profile (if the situation warrants it!)


Thanks for your efforts with these. At this point I am not as satisfied with the Adobe Standard profile for the A99 as I was for the A900.

I tried your profiles but I feel there is too much red. A blue sky is slightly purple and green has an orange tint.

I am disappointed that DxO is taking so long to support the A99 as I prefer to use it as my Raw converter.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote romke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2012 at 19:29
Originally posted by dennismullen dennismullen wrote:


I am disappointed that DxO is taking so long to support the A99 as I prefer to use it as my Raw converter.


Support for the a99 is scheduled for 01/2013 according to the DxO website.

maybe the reason is that a99's are hard to get for testing purposes - i have not yet seen a full blown test of the a99 either. there are a lot of "hands down" tests and "previews" around on the www but they offer not much more information then the Sony press release....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 December 2012 at 19:42
Dennis, thanks for the feedback.

Would you care to try this one here?

It's another dual illuminant profile created from the same set of natural light I tried yesterdat.. This time I used the Adobe DNG Profile Editor to create the .dcp file instead of the ColorChecker Passport utility. The shots were 6250K and 2850K which happens to be quite close to 6500K and 2850K, as recommended by the Adobe utility. Previously, I didn't upload a 'shade+tungsten' dual illuminant.

For reference, here is a dcp created from the exact same two files but created by the CCP util.

I think the Adobe version tames the reds a bit again and de-purples the sky a bit more and browns don't get that greenish tinge.

See what you think.... Am I getting closer? My feeling is this dcp made via the adobe utility is getting close. ;-)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote marlon127 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2012 at 03:16
I'll tell you what... if you use certain lenses the LR profiles work well. I am getting some pretty impressive files from my A99 using the CZ 85/1.4

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Post Options Post Options   Quote kuau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2012 at 05:05
Originally posted by N_Raged N_Raged wrote:

I was pleasantly surprised by these profiles as well. And they all work very nicely.

I find using just the standard profile works well for me.
I also created my own using the Pass Port and it turned my blue sky's a little purple.
And I also noticed when using a custom profile in LR 4.2 it changes the WB
I usually just leave my A99 on daylight WB, shoot the chart outdoors on a sunny day.
Strange how DNG profiles change the WB, maybe I am doing something wrong.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tigertimb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2013 at 20:13
Thank you guys - late to the game, I've been trying to sort out a profile that I like for the A99

So far, I've been playing with a single shot, trying to match the Lightroom colours to the original jpegs.
(I like the original colours, so I'm wanting this as my starting point even if I edit them later)

Trying the following profiles:

0 - original jpeg with DRO+ auto white balance (a bit too cold)
1 - adobe standard profile
2 - adobe a99 camera standard
3 - mikey2000's adobedngeditor profile
4 - romke's a99_1 profile
5 - piraccini standard a99 profile
6 - adobe a99 camera portrait
7 - piraccini portrait a99 profile
8 - mikey2000's day and shade profile

The results were as follows, but this is with all except for the original as -0.20 EV and -5 blacks



None of these quite match with both skin tones and the greens, but mikey2000's adobedngeditor profile comes closest for my preference.

Tweaking this a bit further, my final effort is:

Tint + 4
Red Sat +11
Green Hue -1
Green Sat -18 !!!
Blue Hue +5
Blue Sat -2

Still not perfect, but as close as I can manage, with result below, original jpeg on top:



Now I just need to see if the same settings work with other images too
But that will have to wait until tomorrow

(If anyone else is getting closer with a profile that they'd like, it would be great to hear from you)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2013 at 20:38
I would highly suggest that you invest in a ColorChecker passport for profiling and then use the creative patches to enhance skintones. It will make everything consistent regardless of lighting and conditions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tigertimb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 June 2013 at 23:03
Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

I would highly suggest that you invest in a ColorChecker passport for profiling and then use the creative patches to enhance skintones. It will make everything consistent regardless of lighting and conditions.


My understanding is that that is how mikey created the profile that I was using, so I don't see the need to repeat his work in creating a profile as I don't imagine I'd do any better.

And to mikey2000 and romke - a huge thank you to you both for making your profiles available for download
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mikey2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2013 at 00:45
Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

I would highly suggest that you invest in a ColorChecker passport for profiling and then use the creative patches to enhance skintones. It will make everything consistent regardless of lighting and conditions.


My understanding is that that is how mikey created the profile that I was using, so I don't see the need to repeat his work in creating a profile as I don't imagine I'd do any better.

And to mikey2000 and romke - a huge thank you to you both for making your profiles available for download


No problemo - it's nice to give something back!   I'll try your adjustments sometime soon too.

The profile I made is a so-called "dual illuminant" profile for general purpose use where close enough is good enough.   For extreme accuracy, use a specially made single illuminant profile for a set of photos taken under identical lighting. Even then, I have a feeling that the same colour patch photo might lead to differences in the profile depending on if you feed it into the xrite or adobe profiling utilities.   Sounds like another experiment in the making....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tigertimb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 June 2013 at 08:36
Thanks Mike - I've had a chance to try it with quite a few more shots now.

The 'DRO Auto' setting does mean that the exposure doesn't always match, but in general the colours are fairly accurate and I'm very pleased with this as a starting point to then play with individual shots.

It doesn't match colours brilliantly in artificial light, when the whitebalance is low. But in the worst cases the skin tones were horribly red and they're now deep browns instead so I'm wondering if I'm happy with the result anyway.

This might not be the profile of everyone's choice, because my aim was to match the jpeg colours instead of being 100% accurate.
But as a one-size-fits-all initial edit, I'm happy with the compromises and personally I very much prefer it to Lightroom's own defaults.
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