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    Posted: 11 July 2018 at 17:42
I took the plunge when the A9 came out, I also purchased the vertical grip and the following Emount lenses, 24-70/2.8 GM 70-200/2.8GM and the 100-400/4-5.6 GM, Great setup yet I still struggle with shooting this setup in the winter when I have to where gloves, It can be done, as long if I dont have to change any setting on the fly.

Looking at picking up another body and was considering a A99ll, I have some older A mount glass that I kept from the old Miniolta days and of course realize A99ll cannot do 20FPS, the EVF does have black out etc.

How does CAF expandable flexiable spot compare from the A9 to the A99ll does the A9 still blow away tjhe A99ll in terms of CAF when using similar glass like the 70-200/.2.8GM compare to the A mount equivalent

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2018 at 23:01
I remember there were some tests done when the A9 was released. If I remember correctly the CAF of the A9 is slightly better - compared to the likes of Canon 1Dx2 and Nikon D5 the A99ii was almost as good and the A9 is as good.

I do not if any body here has used both, but if anybody does...
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I would test the A99ii with gloves vs. your A9. The body is maybe easier to hold but I really wonder if the buttons/dials on the A99ii are any easier to operate with gloves.
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Maybe not really on-topic but my 2 pennies:

For operating my A77II camera in moderately cold conditions, I use the Mammut Astro gloves. These have a wind stopper and just give enough feeling with the buttons to operate it in a good way.

Maybe these work for your A9 as well, cheaper to try than an A99II




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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 July 2018 at 21:07
The A99m2 basically is the same camerabody as the A77m2 you have (or had? it is in your signature) - just better build. If you could use gloves with your A77m2, you can with an A99m2.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2018 at 03:18
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

I would test the A99ii with gloves vs. your A9. ...

Excellent suggestion.

Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

... The body is maybe easier to hold but I really wonder if the buttons/dials on the A99ii are any easier to operate with gloves.

I have just tested this. Have no access to any A9, so I had to settle for an old humble A7. I'll start with a disclaimer: The buttons on A9 are improved compared with earlier A7 models. However, they are generally closer to the A7 series than to the A77/A99 series.


There are CONSIDERABLE differences between the SLT and the mirrorless camera buttons in many ways, which IMO makes the SLT cameras much more comfortable to handle.

The much less available "real estate area" on A7 than on A77 II means that with necessity:

1) The button layout on A7 is noticeably more cramped.
2) The buttons on A7 are much smaller, their areas are between half and down to as little as a quarter the area of the buttons on A77 II.
3) The A7 buttons are more flush with the body panels, the A77 II buttons protrudes more.
4) The A7 buttons also have noticably shorter length of stroke than the A77 II buttons.
5) The well around the buttons on A7 is much smaller/narrower than those around the buttons on A77 II.
6) There are (of course) less buttons on the smaller A7 than on the A77 II.

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Conclusion: The A77 II (and of course the A99 II) can
be operated with MUCH thicker gloves than the A7.
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This may sound more worse about the mirrorless cameras than it is, I am not at all saying that the A7 serie cameras can't be used in cold weather. People have done this without any complaints. Some of them have got their mirrorless cameras covered with snow and even ice, and they still operated. I'll just add the obvious thing that the A9 and A7R III are better in cold weather than all the other A7 cameras and the A6X00 cameras, because of higher capacity battery NP-FZ100 used for those two.


Disclaimer 2: For MY kind of photography, the A77 II works very satisfying. I am very happy with it.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2018 at 13:46
Originally posted by kuau kuau wrote:

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How does CAF expandable flexiable spot compare from the A9 to the A99ll does the A9 still blow away tjhe A99ll in terms of CAF when using similar glass like the 70-200/.2.8GM compare to the A mount equivalent


I can't compare the 99ii with the 9, but I can say that the 99ii expand flexible spot has been very impressive. I take horses jumping fences (racing, showjumping and x country) which is a problem if the camera focuses on a fence wing, or other stuff and clutter about the course, rather than the horse.
On the 900, though it was pretty good if you knew its quirks, spot-focus was often too small (you end up focused on a distant hedge in a tiny gap between a horse's head and neck, for example) and centre area was too big- you ended up with the fence wing closer to you and not the horse. I pretty much had to focus and lock on a part of the fence- and that wasn't always where the horse came over it, especially with actual horse racing where the fence can be very wide. Compared to the 900, the 99ii EFS is incredibly good at finding the 'right' thing to focus on out of the clutter. I reckon my strike rate has improved to the point where I have hardly any OOF shots, and last time I did an event, every one of those was because I'd done something else daft. And it's much easier. No pre-focusing is needed, so I can follow the action better and get a horse nicely in focus at more fences on a round.

I only use it at 8fps and that's proved enough for anything I need. At 12fps, I suspect the compromises involved would make it less accurate, but haven't tried it yet as I have found no need. I took 2500 shots at the last event as it was! (I was using the 70-400G2 to test all this).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2018 at 14:32
Originally posted by Swede101 Swede101 wrote:

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Conclusion: The A77 II (and of course the A99 II) can
be operated with MUCH thicker gloves than the A7.
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Owning both the A7r2 and the A99m2, I am not surprised
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark_k Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2018 at 19:36
Having a99II for almost one year, I will recommend you staying with A9 or perhaps just use a new A7rIII
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 August 2018 at 22:14
Originally posted by Mark_k Mark_k wrote:

Having a99II for almost one year, I will recommend you staying with A9 or perhaps just use a new A7rIII

Is that because the A9 is so good, or do you have a specific problem with the 99ii for what you do? I've been very impressed with the 99ii and it continues to both surprise and impress me.
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Iíve used both cameras. The a99ii is a great camera with good autofocus. The a9 however has the best autofocus Iíve ever seen. But to me it sounds like ergonomics and cold weather usability are high on your priorities. Only you can make that decision to be honest. If weíre talking about specs and the greatest likelihood of consistently getting the shot were autofocus is needed itís the a9 and for me itís not even close.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 August 2018 at 14:57
Can't say that now I am used to it I've missed any shots with the 99ii with the horses so far at the 8fps setting unless it was my fault, but if you needed to use the 12fps rate I can't comment as I don't. I suppose it depends what you are doing. Motor racing or something like that would be a much tougher test.
Over the years the bodies I've had have got better and better at AF, this is the first time I have had 1000ish shots in an afternoon and on inspection felt I was 100% to blame for all the mere 48 out-takes, which included all those that were simply out-takes because a shot showed a horse looking insane or being cut off by other objects.
At each point I was trying to do several horses going over the same fence (often with three or more optional routes/heights, so I wasn't sure which part of the fence the horse would appear over, and sometimes in pairs, threes or fours all jumping together) in random order and from all directions, then sprinting to the next fence to do the same. Sometimes I was focusing as I was stopping and swinging the lens towards the action and it still got the first shot in focus. In fact, the only ones I missed (or some others which were a bit softer than I'd like) tended to be those first shots of sequences where I was still moving, and a few where I had not yet mastered moving the 'expand flexible spot' to the right place, in neither case could I blame the AF for it.
For me, the 42 mp sensor is like having a significantly longer zoom on my lenses, as they are good enough to take advantage of it (they seem to be able to contribute more information than a 24mp sensor can record). That has implications for options in allowing a lens to be used in different ways.

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Originally posted by kuau kuau wrote:

I took the plunge when the A9 came out, I also purchased the vertical grip and the following Emount lenses, 24-70/2.8 GM 70-200/2.8GM and the 100-400/4-5.6 GM, Great setup yet I still struggle with shooting this setup in the winter when I have to where gloves, It can be done, as long if I dont have to change any setting on the fly.

Looking at picking up another body and was considering a A99ll, I have some older A mount glass that I kept from the old Miniolta days and of course realize A99ll cannot do 20FPS, the EVF does have black out etc.

How does CAF expandable flexiable spot compare from the A9 to the A99ll does the A9 still blow away tjhe A99ll in terms of CAF when using similar glass like the 70-200/.2.8GM compare to the A mount equivalent



you can't adapter your E-mount lenses to an A-mount cameras, so A99 II is out of the question unless you want dual system, and buy new 24-70/2.8G 70-200/2.8G and the 100-400/4-5.6mm lenses.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark_k Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 1 hour 33 minutes ago at 19:39
Originally posted by Eclipse Eclipse wrote:

Originally posted by Mark_k Mark_k wrote:

Having a99II for almost one year, I will recommend you staying with A9 or perhaps just use a new A7rIII

Is that because the A9 is so good, or do you have a specific problem with the 99ii for what you do? I've been very impressed with the 99ii and it continues to both surprise and impress me.


Yes..my A99ii wiggles with my old 70-400G which is otherwise a very good combo for bird shooting.
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