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    Posted: 15 June 2017 at 23:51

So I have the following glass:
Minolta Beercan 70-210 f4
Sony 18-55 kit lens
Minolta af 50 1.7 prime lens
Tamron 90mm 2.8 prime 1:1 macro
Minolta AF 28-80 xi F4-5.6
Sony SAL 55-200mm f/4.0-5.6 DT SAM
and a couple of crappy knockoff quantray lenses that I tried once and never used again because they are terrible.

I was trying to decide between getting an 850 (possibly a 900 if I wait and find the right deal) or an A77. Currently I have an a55 and no other interchangeable lens camera.

Would I be best served getting a full frame camera camera, the a77 or a really excellent piece of glass for what I already have and if so what recommendation in the same price range as what I can find the aforementioned gear ($500-$600)?

I am at a bit of a crossroads, my friend says scrap the a-mount altogether and go to canon or nikon. The only thing appealing to me about that is the extra half stop of light I would get from eliminating the pellucid mirror. Am I a fool for getting ready to pick up another camera in a format that Sony clearly seems to have abandoned?


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With the A77ii and the A99ii you have a really good upgrade path whether in crop or FF. The original A99 would also be a considerable upgrade and prices on used ones are coming down.

And on A mount all your lenses will be stabilised, while with Canon or Nikon you'd have to buy stabilised lenses to get the same results.

Note that if you go FF you won't be able to use your kit lens (or if you do the image will be much lower resolution).

I really enjoyed using my A77 but admittedly it wasn't great for higher ISO's. Whether that will be an issue for you depends on what you shoot, which you didn't mention.
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Originally posted by jkkyler jkkyler wrote:

I was trying to decide between getting an 850 (possibly a 900 if I wait and find the right deal) or an A77. Currently I have an a55 and no other interchangeable lens camera.

Would I be best served getting a full frame camera camera, the a77 or a really excellent piece of glass for what I already have ...

Best served to do what? In what way is your existing gear holding you back?
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Thanks, I rarely ever use the kit lens anyhow, if I need something in that range the 28-80 will usually do. I have been poking around a bit trying to find a good copy of an wide or ultrawide, something 15-22 range but more importantly I think I need a few faster lenses. I go to a lot of music venues and take a lot of concert footage in the dark in situations where I can't use a flash. Also at night oudoors a lot. A faster lens would help me stay away from higher ISO's.
Exactly how high are you talking 800, 1600? It seems I typically do quite well with my a55 at 800 or lower and sometimes at 1600.

Also I prefer raw images if that matters. They took away my good camera at work and gave me a POS imho. My new camera at work only shoots jpegs and the image quality is terrible. After a year of using the substandard camera and imaging system I have come to grips with it - me and that camera will never be friends but we are no longer enemies but it does make me hunger to get home to my good camera and start snapping pics.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by jkkyler jkkyler wrote:

I was trying to decide between getting an 850 (possibly a 900 if I wait and find the right deal) or an A77. Currently I have an a55 and no other interchangeable lens camera.

Would I be best served getting a full frame camera camera, the a77 or a really excellent piece of glass for what I already have ...

Best served to do what? In what way is your existing gear holding you back?


At first I thought I need a really long zoom lens to get that amazing shot from "a mile away" but then I realized how often do I really find myself attempting that shot. Perhaps If I ever get the $$ together to go on Safari It will be different. My pics just don't seem to be as sharp as I want at times (i'm not a pixel peeper) but at times when I go to crop or even view an image that looks razor sharp in viewfinder or camera back preview and it is soft, I am undecided if it is a) my limitations as a photographer and not setting my variables wisely, b) the quality of my sensor, c) my glass isn't good enough for what I am attempting - either to slow or just not high quality glass. probably more A and C than B. I was contemplating a larger MP camera for bigger prints and also the fact that I do not have a back-up camera like most people I know had me considering a second camera purchase then that opened up the question - stay a mount , FF and no increase in MP / image size or go A77 and increase Mp an size but not ff? And then that spirals me to should I just get a really fast high end lens - paralysis via analysis. I am okay with moving forward with spending some money ($600 to me is quite a bit) but am afraid of making the big mistake.

Edit - as noted above I do a good bit of low light / night photography

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^ Wow ... well, it's hard to respond to everything there. Maybe instead I'll just tell you about my position.

I've had an A55 since it was first released in 2010. I'm happy with what it gives me, but I also wanted ('needed?') some of the advances in the A77, so I later got one of those second-hand. I do think it's a good idea to have two cameras that can use the same lenses. Early this year I accidentally stumbled on a new old stock A99 for an absurdly low price, so now I have a third one too.

So what do I use? I use the A55 exclusively whenever I leave home. When I'm at home, the A77 gets the most use. The A99 just kind of waits in the wings because I have no real need for it except for my 'scientific' studies of APS-C vs. full frame.

I have many lenses, some of which are similar to yours, and others that are different (a pretty good range of primes plus some 'specialty' optics). Not all of them get used a lot either!

It's possible that you could benefit from a second camera that's more sophisticated than the A55 and maybe a more capable lens or two. Not sure which would make more sense for you to consider first.

I just don't know what to tell you beyond that.
 



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Thanks, that helps some I think you hit on it right here:

It's possible that you could benefit from a second camera that's more sophisticated than the A55 and maybe a more capable lens or two. Not sure which would make more sense for you to consider first.

I think I have answered the question that there is no reason for me to leave the alpha line. I think maybe I will try to achieve both of the above adding a second camera as well as some additional HQ glass. I think I will let whatever best deal or value purchase I can find first determine the order. One thing I have been considering is the fact that if I were to get a FF camera that is an a mount, outside the 18-55 lens I have essentially 'doubled' my lens stable as the values I currently have are actually 1.5x and then they would become 1x. I understand how that affects fov but wonder how it would affect resolution/sharpness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 05:26
Originally posted by jkkyler jkkyler wrote:

... if I were to get a FF camera that is an a mount, outside the 18-55 lens I have essentially 'doubled' my lens stable as the values I currently have are actually 1.5x and then they would become 1x. I understand how that affects fov but wonder how it would affect resolution/sharpness.

When using a single lens on two different formats, I'd say the larger format has the potential for better sharpness because it requires less enlargement for viewing (assuming the shooting distance is adjusted so the subject fills the frame in both cases). Much depends on the lens, though. If a lens has not-so-good corner performance, that can show up on full frame but be of little consequence with a cropped camera. In addition to sensor size, then there's also the factor of different pixel pitches to consider.

It can get complicated.
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What syber said, unless you do that safari (you should, it is nice) the crop camera will be sharper as the 1.5x crop means more pixels on the subject and less cropping.

It indeed can get complicated
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

What syber said, unless you do that safari (you should, it is nice) the crop camera will be sharper as the 1.5x crop means more pixels on the subject and less cropping.

It indeed can get complicated
On the other hand, those smaller pixels require a sharper lens and you lose more than a stop of light with the crop camera which seems pretty important to the OP.
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I'd suggest staying with Sony APS-C because it's a lot cheaper than FF and there are several very good cheap fast Sony primes for it. I think the A77 / A77ii have micro-adjust which I assume the A55 hasn't and which is useful.

Interesting to hear your comment about telepohoto lenses. Years ago we all bought a 135mm lens as the first addition to then standard 50mm, then discovered that a wider angle prime was more useful.
Now tele zooms are so cheap you can have your pick of those as well.
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