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wow, coincidentally, the seller and the OP have the same name...........

Does your lens have a slightly sticky aperture? Did anyone else notice that the photo of the flower becomes brighter as the lens is stopped down?

Edited by spada - 13 July 2010 at 15:11
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Originally posted by waleskeg waleskeg wrote:

Originally posted by jaepark jaepark wrote:

Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:

I heard that the Carl Zeiss Jena (Jenazoom) is really good and extremely rare.
Sigma did re-brand that lens to "Sigma 75-200mm 3.8"
Can anyone give me some comparison between the Beercan and the Carl Zeiss Jena?


Wow, very clever way of advertising, really.   
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Really.



Originally posted by jaepark jaepark wrote:

Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:

I heard that the Carl Zeiss Jena (Jenazoom) is really good and extremely rare.
Sigma did re-brand that lens to "Sigma 75-200mm 3.8"
Can anyone give me some comparison between the Beercan and the Carl Zeiss Jena?


Wow, very clever way of advertising, really.   
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Originally posted by jaepark jaepark wrote:

Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:

I heard that the Carl Zeiss Jena (Jenazoom) is really good and extremely rare.
Sigma did re-brand that lens to "Sigma 75-200mm 3.8"
Can anyone give me some comparison between the Beercan and the Carl Zeiss Jena?


Wow, very clever way of advertising, really.   
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Oh man....

3 three months ago I had a chance to get this lens. I did search about this lens, but don't have too much information about it, so I opened a topic about this lens. After I bought it, I did post some sample pictures (2 months ago).
After more than 2 months of using the Jena lens, I have decided to sell it on ebay (but I did not post it on sale here).
Is it not OK to do that?
I am really confused

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Originally posted by spada spada wrote:

wow, coincidentally, the seller and the OP have the same name...........

Does your lens have a slightly sticky aperture? Did anyone else notice that the photo of the flower becomes brighter as the lens is stopped down?

NO, there is no oil on the blades as you can see in the pictures ;)

Edited by tuanle - 14 July 2010 at 06:34
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve-S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2010 at 06:27
Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:

3 three months ago I had a change to get this lens lens. I did search about this lens, but don't have too much information about it, so I opened a topic about this lens. After I bought it, I did post some sample pictures (2 months ago).
After more than 2 months of using the Jena lens, I have decided to sell it on ebay (but I did not post it on sale here).
Is it not OK to do that?
I am really confused


I think some folks didn't notice the datestamps...
No problems that I can see...


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Does the lens actually have Carl Zeiss or Jenna on it anywhere?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Alanbrowne Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 July 2010 at 17:10
Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:


Can anyone give me some comparison between the Beercan and the Carl Zeiss Jena?


The beercan is an over rated "cult" lens. Pretty good at that, but nowhere up to its highly biased cult hype.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Magnus Wedberg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2010 at 15:02
Originally posted by Alanbrowne Alanbrowne wrote:

The beercan is an over rated "cult" lens. Pretty good at that, but nowhere up to its highly biased cult hype.


Amen, brother. ;-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kevinbm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 July 2010 at 15:16
Originally posted by klw10 klw10 wrote:

Does the lens actually have Carl Zeiss or Jenna on it anywhere?


Looking at the larger pictures further down the page it is actually the Sigma version and not branded Carl Zeiss or Jenna in any place I can see.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dca1213 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2010 at 20:04
Originally posted by Alanbrowne Alanbrowne wrote:


The beercan is an over rated "cult" lens. Pretty good at that, but nowhere up to its highly biased cult hype.


That sounds like a highly biased opinion to me. I love my beercan, not for its nickname but for the IQ.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2010 at 03:24
Originally posted by jaepark jaepark wrote:

Originally posted by tuanle tuanle wrote:

I heard that the Carl Zeiss Jena (Jenazoom) is really good and extremely rare.
Sigma did re-brand that lens to "Sigma 75-200mm 3.8"
Can anyone give me some comparison between the Beercan and the Carl Zeiss Jena?


Wow, very clever way of advertising, really.   
ebay item




Seems like a gotcha !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote spada Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2010 at 05:52
Originally posted by dca1213 dca1213 wrote:

Originally posted by Alanbrowne Alanbrowne wrote:


The beercan is an over rated "cult" lens. Pretty good at that, but nowhere up to its highly biased cult hype.


That sounds like a highly biased opinion to me. I love my beercan, not for its nickname but for the IQ.


I think that must be a biased opinion also, and I can't think of a better full frame telephoto lens for under 100 dollars. The two beercans I have bought have been for under 100, and the image quality with both is quite stunning. I will try to take some similar shots of flowers to compare with this zeiss/sigma lens.
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The Beercan has one of the best price:performance ratios of any lens, comparable to a 50mm f/1.8 or f/1.7. If I need f/2.8 or I'm shooting something with a lot of contrast, I reach for my Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8. If not, I reach for the Beercan. Right tool for the job and all that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Magnus Wedberg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2010 at 13:46
The beercan is OK, but nowhere around its hugely overinflated reputation, a reputation which mostly comes from this very forum. It's a self-confirming myth you have going on here. In the old days, this lens was seen as a good alternative and recommended because it was somewhat better or as good as then-current lenses, while being significantly cheaper. It's still as good as then, but other alternatives now exist and it's no longer a bargain because it's not cheap. The used bargain to hunt for now is the 100-200/4.5.

The beercan:
* is pretty good but not awesome in any way I can come to think of
* purple fringes like there's no tomorrow
* has pretty harsh bokeh
* is not close to competing with any pro glass

The good things about it is mostly that it focuses pretty close and is a versatile lens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote madecov Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2010 at 13:50
Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

The beercan is OK, but nowhere around its hugely overinflated reputation, a reputation which mostly comes from this very forum. It's a self-confirming myth you have going on here. In the old days, this lens was seen as a good alternative and recommended because it was somewhat better or as good as then-current lenses, while being significantly cheaper. It's still as good as then, but other alternatives now exist and it's no longer a bargain because it's not cheap. The used bargain to hunt for now is the 100-200/4.5.

The beercan:
* is pretty good but not awesome in any way I can come to think of
* purple fringes like there's no tomorrow
* has pretty harsh bokeh
* is not close to competing with any pro glass

The good things about it is mostly that it focuses pretty close and is a versatile lens.



Everything you say is true, but the major factor is that other than the Beercan we don't have ANY modern equivalent like other systems have.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2010 at 13:55
Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

The beercan:
* purple fringes like there's no tomorrow

I'm quite sure there are two versions of this lens with different coatings. My beercan doesn't show purple fringing. It's in this respect better than the 17-35D that was introduced in the digital age. Others also report that they don't have purple fringing.

The beercan is slowly getting to reasonable prices again - it used to be quite inflated. Still, a nice lens.
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