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I think you sold Erremuu (pronounced Erremuuje ) to me Ine, in spite of that furniture store, possible signs of inbred and de Klok van Arnemuiden. Did I tell you I (well, my parents) come from Scheveningen? Fishing villages are in my blood.
That warf makes my photographic heart beat faster.

Beautiful carving in that paeremes! Great story too!

Car OK now? We spent that glorious week at d'n overkant. Zeeuws Vlaanderen reminds Marjo of Walcheren as it used to be: wide open spaces, rural, serene.

The skyline of Flushing is very present over there:

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(TYVM, Aavo! appreciate! )


yes, you did and I figured.






famous vlaggetjesdag in Scheveningen
(Den Haag archives ;-))




(since 1983, I have a book, 'Nederlandse visserstruien', with knitting patterns of fishermen's sweaters.
1890 pic of the Erremuu fishermen -previous page- on the cover. did have commercial plans with those, but not alone. became almost a hype over the last years and 3 more books were launched. and newly knit Erremuu sweaters as well).
anyway, the various Scheveningen sweaters only show 'decorations' on the upper half. familiar?
https://kunst-en
cultuur.infonu.nl/volkeren/108977-de-visserstrui-als-identificatiemiddel.html


https://geschiedenisvanzuidholland.nl/verhalen/visserstruien-bij-de-vleet ).



you can't have missed Arnemuiden? (on the doorstep of Middelburg).
must have flown by zillions of times? (unless you take very alternative routes. ;-) ).
it's in the bend of -highway- the A58, where my car starts to accelerate , smelling the stable.
I prefer to take the rural inland route, when heading for Goes/'the bridges'. to see how the rapeseed is doing, a much more enjoyable, pleasant and faster route. through Nieuwland (Nieuw- & St. Joosland, IF you can still find it :-S), but even then you pass Erremuu.
(ever came across the Oosterschelde storm surge barrier? past Renesse, Haamstede n such?).


Erremuu- the grand tour
-through time, town, warf-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T99wa_8OWAw

+ warf, museum, Veere and ;-)


http://www.arnehistorie.com/
http://museumarnemuiden.nl/arnemuiden-en-haar-visserij/
https://www.zalig-zeeland.com/zeeuwse-almanac/18-juli-arnemuiden-treurt



as mentioned, home of the fishing fleet is the Inner harbour. that was btw cleaned today.
https://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/108973/Afval-vissen-uit-Vlissingse-haven-van-bierflesjes-tot-dode-haai
they found loads of trash + a -small- shark, strangled by plastic.
when you stand in the vicinity of the Timmerfabriek and gaze over the water, or pass the locks and take the road over 'het eiland' to the center, you can see them.


more interesting perhaps are the Zeeland/Erremuu sailing vessels
http://www.arnehistorie.com/Artikelen-Visserij-ak/de-arnemuidse-hoogaars.html
http://www.hoogaars.nl/index.php/onze-schepen
(https://www.ssrp.nl/publicaties/boeken/de-hoogaars-en-de-visserij-van-arnemuiden )
that have been used as fishing boats for more than 200 years.

because everyone is welcome to board.
http://www.hoogaars.nl/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TX9tm_WbjE
-pricey!- tickets at the Veere museum
https://museumveere.nl/vaartochten/
https://museumveere.nl/calendar-item/zeiltocht-met-authentieke-hoogaars-2/







https://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/103002/In-Veere-moet-plek-komen-voor-historische-zeilschepen

http://www.scez.nl/4/monumenten/47/maritiem-erfgoed/158/havens-en-ligplaatsen?h=ligplaatsen zeeland



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Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

I think you sold Erremuu (pronounced Erremuuje ) to me Ine, in spite of that furniture store, possible signs of inbred and de Klok van Arnemuiden. Did I tell you I (well, my parents) come from Scheveningen? Fishing villages are in my blood.
That warf makes my photographic heart beat faster.

Beautiful carving in that paeremes! Great story too!

Car OK now? We spent that glorious week at d'n overkant. Zeeuws Vlaanderen reminds Marjo of Walcheren as it used to be: wide open spaces, rural, serene.

The skyline of Flushing is very present over there:

Memorial Deltawerken (Drie Decennia Deltawerken 1960-1990)

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is that memorial (Deltawerken? they're not dead I hope? :-S) in Bresjes?
that's what I mean, can't even miss that skyline from miles n miles away, sticking out like a .... ..... !
(but no one will think it's England, like they often do on the other side ).
how long you reckon a lens has to be to get a proper pic of the Boulevard from the other side?
I'm often astounded how much you can see of Bresjes through a moderate tele -when standing on the Keizersbolwerk-.
and still want to try to get a pic of the seals on sandbank de Hooge Platen + Boulevard as BG, from a place called Nummer Een / Number One.
ahem

http://www.scez.nl/4/monumenten/47/maritiem-erfgoed/186/evenementen-2018


on Beveland, but also very interesting (MHO)
http://www.bietentocht.nl/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5zJDr6HVJo
annual beet tour- 45 draft horses draw 26 boats

we often hear fishing stories, about bycatch - amazing fossils (mammoths n such), all kinds of antiques and... many explosives.
catching bombs, it's an interesting profession. ;-)


Zeeuws-Vlaanderen at its best? (MO)
when the flax is in bloom!
or somewhat earlier
https://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/105238/Duizend-gele-duizend-rode-op-deze-plekken-vind-je-de-mooiste-tulpenvelden-in-Zeeland

did you see the storks?


car? so far beauty treatment only. installed a new battery in july.
maintenance is obligatory for a car that is 32 1/2 + years of age (out of love, not finances. we grew old together).
oans zeeuwen bin zuuneg! ;-) -which doesn't mean we are cheapskates btw. it means we prefer to conserve. in favour of quality rather than price-.
(a neighbour gave me the most magical black bumper stuff on the planet! from his Jeep dealer, brilliant! :-D).

speaking of...
missed 'this' on sunday :-D
(and this ).


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standing @ the Flushing Boulevard (in 2011) - looking at the other side






and over the sea


















Breskens- https://www.parkvakanties.nl/vakantiepark-port-scaldis/






(stormy weather- the sky turned blue and the water turned green)








Breskens






+ the Vlissingen - Breskens ferry for pedestrians & cyclists.
a lame substitute for our roll-on, roll-off ferries, that have
'always' been there (since 1866) and even carried trucks.
'restaurant' on board. until 2003... :'-(
it's very unreliable too.

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1869


the Nije/New-, Engelse/English- or Vissers/Fishing- harbour dates from 1443.
and is now called the 'Michiel de Ruyter jachthaven'/-marina.




1936


but before het Veerse gat, a sea channel between Walcheren and Noord-Beveland, was blocked off in 1961, as part of the Delta Plan,
the Erremuu fishing fleet had a second harbour,
Veere (in 1958)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1VCa2cc7Q


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speaking of... the Delta Works?
in the news this morning: suggestions to get rid of the (9 kilometers long) storm surge barrier, (considered to be 1 of the 7 wonders of modern times,
pricey wonder!), and block off the entire Oosterschelde/Eastern-Scheldt river.
https://www.omroepzeeland.nl/nieuws/109070/Oosterschelde-alsnog-helemaal-afdammen



Originally posted by darosa darosa wrote:

Zeeuws Vlaanderen reminds Marjo of Walcheren as it used to be: wide open spaces, rural, serene.


I have a booklet for Marjo, called 'het vierde gewas'.
('the 4th crop' in the sense of an extra source of income. for instance potatoes, onions, beets + tourism?).
a true story about a farm that was claimed. and a farmer desperately trying to fight the loss of his farm and land, in which he was
so deeply rooted. seeing the fertile grounds of his ancestors turn into an unbelievable mess of mud and sand, called 'new nature'.
his beloved ancestral farm hoeve Flikweert (Breskens) turned into hof Waterdunen, a -heavily sponsored- commercial 'dream project':
a coastal lab, an office + a home for the new manager.
https://www.hetzeeuwselandschap.nl/nieuws/droomproject-kustlaboratorium-verhuist-naar-waterdunen
<in 2013 a farm was obtained in the project area.>
tearing him apart. (and fled with his family to the province of Groningen).


http://www.waterdunen.com/waterdunen-0
looks better now? or doesn't it?
http://www.waterdunen.com/nieuws/enthousiaste-bezoekers-open-dag

and blah blah blah, and neighbour Napoleon hoeve
https://www.zeeland.nl/ruimte/waterdunenOud-Breskenspolder
<furthermore holiday lets and an hotel are build.>



biggest threat to Zeeuws-Vlaanderen, even more than uncontrolled excessive building, is called 'nature'.
socalled 'nature', that doesn't belong there. and will increase salinity of the cultivated grounds?

ehh
https://www.ad.nl/economie/monaco-aan-de-noordzee-begint-vanaf-1-9-miljoen-euro~a43169ee/
Monaco at the North sea starts at 1,9 million euro for an apartment up to E 5,2 million for the flat on top.

(https://www.kustparkzeebad.nl/
https://www.droomparken.nl/schoneveld
and so forth)



'the 4th crop' was written by a belgian, known for his book 'dit is mijn hof' / 'this is my farm'.
https://decorrespondent.nl/3300/waarom-moet-oud-boerenland-toch-wijken-voor-nieuwe-natuur/152242200-0e15f96a

https://www.vpro.nl/boeken/artikelen/vpro-gids/2015/september/37-Chris-de-Stoop.html


< De Hedwigepolder, de beroemdste polder van de lage landen, schrijlings op de Zeeuws-Vlaamse grens, moet en zal onder water worden gezet.
Deze polder is symbool geworden voor het oude boerenland dat moet wijken voor nieuwe natuurgebieden. Dit raakt de bevolking diep in de ziel.

Schrijver Chris de Stoop, boerenzoon uit de streek, keert terug naar de ouderlijke hoeve, die van de ene op de andere dag leeg is komen te staan.
Terwijl hij de boerderij bestiert, ziet hij hoe het landschap om hem heen verandert. (....) De auteur ziet om naar het boerenleven dat het land maakte
tot wat het was, duizend jaar lang. En hij kijkt met verbijstering naar het geradbraakte land dat het geworden is.


'Op een goeie kilometer afstand staat er wel een dozijn borden, die melden waarom we dit gebied zo waardevol moeten vinden. Ze tonen waar je moet
kijken en leggen uit wat je ziet. Ze geven me het gevoel dat ik een passant ben, een toeschouwer, en het landschap een decor, zoals in een Disneyfilm.
De natuur is niet meer iets wat er gewoon is, wat buiten ons staat, aan zichzelf overgeleverd. Ze is nu toevertrouwd aan een conservator.'>

'at about a kilometer distance, there are about a dozen signs, that tell why we should appreciate this area so much. they show us where to look and tell
us what we see. they make me feel as if I'm a bypasser, an observer, and the landscape a decor, like in a Disney movie. nature is no longer something
that is just there, in its own right, it is now in the care of a curator.'



'new nature' is also heavily pushed on by the 'nature clubs' / birders, being their hobby horse and passion.
on Walcheren we have some fine examples. beside the Westkapelle dike for instance, is an -artificial- watery area called Noordervroon.
not as successful as intended, many endangered species, breeding there, are being killed and eaten (by other animals).   

an inaccessible no-go area for humans, only the birdies are welcome. and they love it! due to the huge success of these bird resorts,
the province came up with plans to regulate the number of geese, causing too much damage to the crops.
https://www.zeeland.nl/digitaalarchief/zee1500197
or in plain language- they lure the geese in. then they kill them.




did you visit the Hedwigepolder -english- ?
I have never been there, but, should it help, I will be standing in the middle of it, when they pull the plug out. when the dikes will be destroyed and all will be flooded. even I can't bear the idea of giving land back to the sea. it goes beyond any feeling. can't wrap my head around the idea that we should sacrifice our land for some greedy big shots in the Antwerp harbour, that isn't anywhere near the sea? (ever seen a map?). it is what it is (for them).
(by all means do dig a HUGE canal through entire Belgium? all the way to Antwerp in the east. or try Zeebrugge? or why not dig off the province of Zeeland to make room for the colosses that for some undefined reason have to sail inland to reach Antwerp. to please the few. who cares about our soil? and who cares about tourism anyway?). will enough ever be enough?

saillant detail? the <beep!>, minister at the time, who signed the new agreement in 2005, Karla Peijs, later became commissioner of the queen (is that a governor?) of the province of Zeeland. the nerve!!! (look @ the b.... how dare you wear that jewelry !).


my 1/2 cent?
1st and for all, I would be interested to know what the definition of a ship is? ships, as defined in the agreement of 18something, 1839 (saying we will allow 'ships' to pass through OUR Westerschelde/our part of the Scheldt river. the river has been made deeper and deeper (and deeper, as the 'ships' are getting bigger, a never ending story) and therefore 'they' want us to give back land to the sea. to compensate for the damage the continious dredging causes to nature. dredging to enable the passage of ridiculously large 'ships', way too big for the river, in order to be profitable for the harbour of Antwerp and the Flemish economy).
did they mean the massive monsters, can't tell what is front or back?
as you know, I grew up on the beach, it used to be our front garden. from the youngest age friends and I knew that a ship w/b followed by a nice wave. :-)
dredge some more and soon we'll be surfing off Vlissingen.
not to mention the damage to the coast, the damage to the underwater life + eco systems. and the hazards.
sabotaging the tourism Walcheren thrives on. already our beaches are polluted by with jungles of signs and flags and meddlesome teenagers as socalled 'guards'. already they are dredging up tourists after small 'tsunamis', caused by those monstrous floating buildings.
we happen to have a harbour in Vlissingen-East! and Rotterdam within reach.


and over and over again we hear -from outsiders- that we conquered the water and therefore refuse to return our land to the sea. but it has nothing to do with senses of victory or stubbornness, or pride. most land was gained many centuries ago, otherwise our province would be mostly sea. and often we are told that the people of Zeeland are so (sooo very much) connected to the (sea)water (yes, we are), but they don't get it. it's the other way 'round.
the people of Zeeland, literally 'Sealand', happen to love their land. the sea has taken a lot.



controlled flooding restoration and de-poldering projects in the Netherlands:

Perkpolder- After the ferry crossing between Zeeuws-Vlaanderen became obsolete, the area deteriorated.
The polder is reconnected to the Westerschelde, restoring tidal dynamics and sedimentation within the area,
which is attractive for eco-tourism development.

Hedwigepolder- Located on the Dutch-Belgium border, the 300ha polder was reconnected to the Westerschelde
as part of a political deal between the two countries about the dredging of the Westerschelde
benefitting the harbour of Antwerp.

Waterdunen- Part of a coastal management strategy the project combines water safety, tidal nature restoration
and recreation.

+ some sense (for a change)?
hoe te komen tot Echt herstel Westerschelde -dutch-

(was this a rant? )


Zeeland-Flanders anthem:
Waar eens 't gekrijs der meeuwen, verstierf aan 't eenzaam strand,
Daar schiepen zich de Zeeuwen, uit schor en slik hun land;
En kwam de stormwind woeden, hen dreigend met verderf,
dan keerden zij de vloeden, van 't pas gewonnen erf.




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lovely Pieter, great POV!
(been wondering if there are places you haven't been to yet?! ;-))
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de zeevaartschool
former building of -higher- maritime institute 'de Ruyter'







'blik'
students were called 'blikken'.
after the metal sheet ornaments on their caps.






made by Jan Haas
* october 26, 1941 - october 30, 2018

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Vlissingen ~ mentioned more than once, twice , that there is no place in Europe, some say world, were ships pass as close to shore...







https://www.zeelandnet.nl/video/bekijk/video/26466/zo_dicht_varen_de_schepen_langs_de_boulevard.html


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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:

lovely Pieter, great POV!
(been wondering if there are places you haven't been to yet?! ;-))

Thanks Ine, it was taken during a boating tour through the harbour on a beautiful day.

Next to many places I have visited (mainly for work) there's many places I have not had the opportunity to visit. Actually there are more continents I have not visited vs. ones I did visit.

Here's a few more from the same visit to Walcheren in september this year. We had a tour through the old town hall where I was especially interested in the staircase railings, made by my grand-father during the big renovation in 1945

1: The stairs:



2: A little balcony above the stairs to the first floor (note the railings )



3: Just outside the town hall, the ministry of chocolate and culinary affairs


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your grandpa made those! you've already shown us how skilled he was, but again, these look exquisite!
so elegant and artistic! (after the original design or sprouted from his mind?). and fab against the rendering of the walls.
(seeing a simular design at the bottom of the wall lamps in pic #1. did he make those too?).

also great that you managed to get pics without a crowd blocking the view. (needed something from Middelburg last week, very crowded and all I heard in that store was german).
hope you'll treat us to your other pics as well!

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Originally posted by angora angora wrote:


your grandpa made those! you've already shown us how skilled he was, but again, these look exquisite!
so elegant and artistic! (after the original design or sprouted from his mind?). and fab against the rendering of the walls.
(seeing a simular design at the bottom of the wall lamps in pic #1. did he make those too?).


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