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    Posted: 06 January 2012 at 05:13
(did a quick search and didn't see this posted already....so thought I would share)

Google+ led me to an interesting article by photography Trey Ratcliff.

Around the 35 minute mark he makes comments on how he will not be buying any more DSLR gear and will be watching technology with the "3rd generation" (mirrorless) lines of cameras.


http://www.stuckincustoms.com/2012/01/04/dslrs-are-a-dying-breed-3rd-gen-cameras-are-the-future/
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Post Options Post Options   Quote D-Schap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 05:29
Well, nothing like a champion for the cause when you are ready to abandon your gear and jump ship. Thank goodness they make money, because that's all it takes to make things right... ahhh.

How about we get one really good and up-to-date DSLR out of SONY and see how long it lasts? You know, something different for a change.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 4GibMe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 06:43
The customer has the last say on that, with their wallet. Minolta learned that lesson. They had some great ideas, but not all of them sold. It's also what put them in to financial dire straights. But leaping forward to the now, the A77's popularity is one of those steps Trey Ratcliff is talking about. I can't see Cannon and Nikon shrugging their shoulders at this ether. Only the future will tell. Outside of that, I'm just going take pictures. That's my part of the chain, and I like being there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 06:43
Funny how rangefinders were threatened by the SLR... yet they still exist. Count on the SLR being available for a while longer. I bet two pence and a plucked chicken that SLR's outlast me.
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apart from being a "camera" (a box wherein the light is received from outside through a lens and wherein is a recording medium, be it film or a digital sensor) a camera usually contains a way to view what area is recorded.

that part has evolved over the years: from the view camera via a simple rectangle frame mounted on the box to the ingenious viewfinders on rangefinder camera's to the "through the lens" viewfinder of the slr. the view camera was/is not that easy to use because you see the world upside down and need a cloth over your head to see anything at all, the rectangle showed things within a frame the right way but not very accurate, rangefinder view finders where very good in the sense that they were very light and could be used under low light quite well, but were not accurate showing both usually somewhat more then you actually saw on film and they also show some parallax, especially when doing close up photography.

thus came the slr, where you look through the lens and where in theory "what you see is what you get", although in practice you may get something more then you see.

thus the slr is not that special, the only virtue being that the view is not upside down and thus somewhat better to use then a view camera.

in all cases what you want is to be able to see very well and exactly as possible what part of the outside world is recorded.

as soon as that can be done with a camera that does no longer need a optical viewfinder, there will in fact be no need anymore for a (d)slr design. it is difficult to predict which way it will go, but i can imagine a "Nex-like" solution that makes all previous viewfinders obsolete. we are not there yet, but it will come. a optical through the lens viewfinder is no essential constituent of a camera, a viewfinder that shows you exactly (or as closely as possible) is!

imagine the situation where you can put on a pair of specs that at your command can show you what the camera "sees" - where the camera may be somewhere else then in your hands and you are able to fire a shot with some form of remote control....the slr is just a part of a evolution, it came, was/is rather dominant, and eventually it will disappear.
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I am not doubting that there will be a bionic replacement for the eyeball, either, with telescopic and all sorts of different vision options. Yeah, it will come... I can see that (pun intended).

The argument here is at least getting the firepower out of the gear you have invested in. Cripes, look at Kodak... okay, let's not look. It's not pretty.

Yes, every dog has its day... can we get back to having SONY produce one final Full Frame DSLR with RF flash ratio/trigger, better noise handling, a 4-second 10 fps burst mode and 7-year warranty? Is that too much to ask for the crowd?

Call it a "parting shot."

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 5thElefant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 09:02
We're at the same point we were at with film a decade ago. Any dslr company that fails to adapt quick enough will go the same way as Kodak.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dunadan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 09:04
This means that Canon is dying breed too... or at least a couple of years behind u4/3 and Sony...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony Beach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 17:47
Trey Ratcliff says in that article , "I want to wait for a few more iterations," and I would say so too. My next camera will not use an EVF, it doesn't suit me and I suspect it may never suit me.

Ratcliff is arguing that technology becomes obsolete, but horses (for instance, and specifically mentioned by the author) are still useful and can do things that motor vehicles cannot; indeed, a 1930's motor vehicle could have been argued by Ratcliff to have made horses obsolete in the 1930's, but today the horse is no more obsolete than it was then while those motor vehicles are now only useful as collector's items. Getting back to camera technology, 4x5 film cameras still have a place, so old technology does not just die off.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote fxcarden Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 17:54
Personally, I am holding out for the Quantum camera. You know, the one that will take the shot before the event happens.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote minolta_mutley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 18:00
I've seen lots of nonsense talk about the iphone/ipad taking over the photo-market.
Well - i still do have a DSLR and a seperate HD-videocam. Why?

Because those have a different shape, that makes it easier to handle 'm for it's own purpose.

I don't believe dslr's are going out of the market, there's too much expensive glass and the results are still superior to other platforms. The market may shrink a bit - so that's good, this means more chanses to find cheaper 2nd hand minolta 600mm f4. ;-)

Because Kodak is going the chapter 11 route - doesn't mean digital SLR's will follow the same road.

The mirrorless camera's like the Nex may take up the lower part - but there'll be some part of the market that wants to keep some balance in their hands (i will keep on buying bigger cams - the nex is nice but it's too small - my format is about the K-M 5D and the A55).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 18:29
A 'dying breed' doesn't mean extinct, unavailable, unused, etc. It means falling out of popular favor, not produced in quantity, used mostly by enthusisasts and specialists. By that definition, horses, butter churns, metal ice cube trays, film cameras, dumb phones, etc. are dying breeds. They're all still out there if you want 'em and will be for a while - like digital SLRs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dumbasadoorknob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 18:40
Breeds don't die, they evolve...,and that's what's happening now.

Personally, I don't think of the mirrorless interchangeable lens camera as different from a DSLR. Of course, with a DSLR there's the darned mirror, and mirror slap, and the blackout, and a need for mirror lockup occasionally, but really, the key thing for me is the interchangeable lens and the size of the "negative."

An A99 that is as reliable as my A900 would be dynamite, and an improvement..., and it's just a matter of time.

I think what is really happening in our field, and Sony exemplifies this trend, is the "death" of the medium format camera in favor of the fullframe.   With high quality sensors (and please Sony, high quality Jpegs) the 35mm format still has enormous potential.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dumbasadoorknob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2012 at 18:47
fxcarden,

I am sorry to report that the manufacturer's warranty on the Quantum camera is limited to taking pictures of Schrodinger's cat.   It is available for general video use, but with a serious defect, ...either the photographer is dead and the video replay works, or the photographer survives but the image is fixed.
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