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My 35G 1.4 went to the bamboo forest











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Originally posted by andrew_broadfoot andrew_broadfoot wrote:

Have any of my shots inspired anyone into the 35/f1.5G market?


Not only your shots. I have been toying with the idea of buying a f/1.4 wide angle for some time. 35mm is not my preferred angle of view, but very fast wide angles give a unique picture style. Fast telephotos as well, but one sees that style everywhere, it is the combination of limited depth of field and wide angle perspective which is uncommon. That, and the particular contrast rendition given by these lenses (which is actually the result of spherical aberration, which is very difficult to correct for fast wide angle lenses).

I am convinced that this combination is most of the secret behind the "Leica look". Leica M users use mainly fast wide angles, and Leica is one of the few makers catering for that need (with a incredible choice of 21!, 24 and 35 f/1.4... at a price, unfortunately). Canon has a 24mm f/1.4 which is stellar (used by astronomers with praise) and a 35mm f/1.4 which isn't better than the Minolta, Nikon (in AF) stopped producing the 28mm f/1.4 long ago (and it sells at collector's prices) and just issued a 24mm f/1.4. That, and Nikon did not have full frame DSLRs for a long time.

So it is a look which is uncommon, because the tools are rare. Sure, you can find old 35mm f/1.4 for old film bodies at a decent price, but few people do that nowadays and these old design suffer from coma, which can easily ruin your pictures if you have punctual lights in the frame. Coma can only be corrected with aspherics.

If I had to describe the special look I associate with these lenses, I would say it is a combination of a dreamy atmosphere and open space. I usually associate it with street photography and intimacy (keep in mind that street photography is about intimacy, actually). If you need a reminder about the Leica look, look at the pictures Maik Scharfscheer shot for the official M9 campaign, I'll include two for your convenience:





In the end, the Minolta 35mm f/1.4 is one of the few available lenses to give that particular look. Personally, I would have preferred a 24mm f/1.4, but that lens won't be made.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlphaMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2010 at 10:59
Love the flower pictures, they have real "depth".

I wouldn't have thought of using a 35/1.4 for this application, however, it works very well. It seems to give them a more 3D look than the more conventional lens choice and the way the further away petals soften is very pleasing.

You already inspired me to buy the lens (as you know) and now to try out some flower shots with it too.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dennismullen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 March 2010 at 00:25
Originally posted by andrew_broadfoot andrew_broadfoot wrote:

Have any of my shots inspired anyone into the 35/f1.5G market?


I enjoyed your examples very much.
I am the lucky owner of a Minolta 35/1.4G.
Here's a picture I took with it at my nephews wedding.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlphaMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 March 2010 at 22:29
Originally posted by steem21 steem21 wrote:

I am saddened that I don't have this lens anymore, but I had to re-evaluate how I use my A900. So more zooms and less primes... Enjoy the lens Alphaman!

Steve


I am! Thanks, Steve.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote polyglot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2010 at 09:05
Your link is broken because you have a space after the opening [url]
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Post Options Post Options   Quote steem21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2010 at 23:08
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic26624_post277639.html

I've not embedded the link and have posted it as text.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jedidentite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2010 at 22:33
Originally posted by steem21 steem21 wrote:

This is a very interesting discussion about the qualities of this amazing lens. I've had to sell my copy to fund my rather expensive forage into Leica territory! During my research into Leica lenses, I remembered reading a post a few years ago about the shared qualities of Leica lenses and Minolta lenses.

Here's the post: http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic26624_post277639.html

I've bought a Leica lens (50/1.4 Pre-asph) that a lot of users have said that it is "soft" wide open (like the 35/1.4) whereas a sharper version (50/1.4 ASPH) seemed to be more desirable (like the 35/2). However, the way in which the 35/1.4G draws images is much more artistic than images I got from the 35/2. The out-of-focus areas is also rendered in a smoother and more pleasing manner than the 35/2.

I am saddened that I don't have this lens anymore, but I had to re-evaluate how I use my A900. So more zooms and less primes... Enjoy the lens Alphaman!

Steve


Linky doesn't work...I think you left some numbers off.

Anyways, I owned the 35 f1.4 and 35 f2 and compared them for a bit before choosing the f1.4. 35 f2 images looked similar to my KM 28-75, but sharper. The f1.4 added more of a different look.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote steem21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2010 at 22:14
This is a very interesting discussion about the qualities of this amazing lens. I've had to sell my copy to fund my rather expensive forage into Leica territory! During my research into Leica lenses, I remembered reading a post a few years ago about the shared qualities of Leica lenses and Minolta lenses.

Here's the post: http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic26624_post277639.html

I've bought a Leica lens (50/1.4 Pre-asph) that a lot of users have said that it is "soft" wide open (like the 35/1.4) whereas a sharper version (50/1.4 ASPH) seemed to be more desirable (like the 35/2). However, the way in which the 35/1.4G draws images is much more artistic than images I got from the 35/2. The out-of-focus areas is also rendered in a smoother and more pleasing manner than the 35/2.

I am saddened that I don't have this lens anymore, but I had to re-evaluate how I use my A900. So more zooms and less primes... Enjoy the lens Alphaman!

Steve
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlphaMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2010 at 10:51
Originally posted by ihlbcn ihlbcn wrote:

Well, there is too many people that complains about the lack of sharpness of this lens.


I agree, I think these people think the lower contrast wide open is actually softness.

It is a common complaint in the forum lens reviews. My copy is sharp wide open, but lower contrast that at f2, giving the impression of softness.

This lens gives better contrast and sharpness at f2 with the option of a more "painterly" effect at 1.4 (while still being sharp enough).

Another possible cause of suspecting softness at f1.4 is because of focusing errors in combination with the lower depth of field.

It could also be said that this lens is better suited to/appreciated by the more experienced photographer.

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I rated 35/1.4G as my favorite G lens.

It is not as razor sharp as some others lens in the same range; the effect is quite obvious when shot in daylight (or there is plenty of light). There is not much advantage in such condition, if anyone intends to use it as a super-sharp high resolution landscape lens may be disappointed. However, a little bit of softness can help to "glue" shapes together (especially in harsh light), give a look of "varnishing" effect as of oil painting.

My favorite condition for the lens is when used in dim / low light. The color rendition from this lens is extremely rich. Also, working in close range, such as environmental portrait work marvelously.

If I would use a painter to describe the character of this lens, it would be Rembrant.


I would presume the forthcoming Zeiss 24/2.0 SSM would be a great architectural, landscape lens. Can't wait to see some test reports.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ihlbcn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2010 at 09:28
Originally posted by andrew_broadfoot andrew_broadfoot wrote:

Originally posted by g^2 g^2 wrote:

Originally posted by ihlbcn ihlbcn wrote:

Sharpness is overrated.


Don't expect sharpness with this fine lens @ 1.4. This lens has never been rated as razor sharp wide open!


But then again, who would buy this lens for sharpness?


Well, there is too many people that complains about the lack of sharpness of this lens.
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Originally posted by gnatsum gnatsum wrote:

Originally posted by ihlbcn ihlbcn wrote:

Sharpness is overrated.


Yes it is overrated...but when you're paying $1,500... it's hard to ignore.

What's underrated and more important to test sharpness is correct focus, which is harder to achieve with sony's AF, especially with moving objects.

I've played with this lens a few times on my a900 and it's obvious that between f1.4 and f1.6 it's soft, but after that it's fine. Correct focus is required to see if the lens is sharp or not, and that's not something we're in control of while using AF.

I was holding out on buying the lens, assuming they would update it. But after the announcement of the 24mm f2, it's clear sony will fill it's gaps before replacing lenses. "Why fix what's not broken" in a sense...


When I buy this kind of lens I'm looking for something special, and the 35G is special, I really don't care about sharpness, just about the look the lens is adding to the photo, I tested the 35G for few days but just after the first dozen of photos I was absolutely in love with it, it's truly amazing... and for B&W is even better.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jerome Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2010 at 20:49
The lens is not really soft wide open, it has a low contrast, which is a bit different and may even be considered advantageous for portraits. It is an effect of the under-corrected spherical aberrations.
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