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sarapata1
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Topic: Interesting calculationPosted: 03 January 2012 at 21:30 |
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sybersitizen
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Posted: 04 January 2012 at 02:17 |
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90km? I don't think so. His math appears to be completely wrong. I calculate the coverable distance to be a little over one mile for f/1.2 at ISO 204,800.
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mikebr
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Posted: 04 January 2012 at 05:51 |
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G'Day sarapata1
Either the maths or the physics or both are suspect. Increasing ISO100 to ISO204800 changes ISO by a factor of 204800/100 = 2048 Because of the inverse square nature of light the guide number will increase by a factor of the square root of 2048 = 45.25... giving a new guide number of 58 x 45.25 = 2624.5(m). At f1.2 this gives a distance of 2625.8 / 1.2 = 2187m or about 1 1/3 miles' ref Basics of flash photography - Guide numbers Mike |
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jcoffin
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Posted: 04 January 2012 at 06:01 |
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Sybercitizen is correct -- to be just a bit more exact, it (theoretically) works out to a little less than 2.2 kilometers.
The original calculation *seems* to be based on the assumption that the guide number doubles for every stop increase ISO. This is incorrect. In reality, one stop increases the guide number by a factor of ~1.4 (the square root of two, to be more exact). Looked at slightly different, you have to quadruple the ISO to double the guide number. His 11 stop ISO increase means you multiply the guide number by the square root of 2 raised to the 11th power, or approximately 45. Since the rated guide number at 100 is 58, the maximum distance would be 58 x 45 / 1.2 = ~2187 meters. I should add, however, that this would almost certainly result in underexposure. Most flashes seems to be rated on an assumption that they're used indoors in a reasonably "normal" room. In particular, they seem to assume that you'll get an extra 20-30% (or so) light that's been reflected off of walls, ceilings, floors, furniture, etc. When you use a flash outdoors (or even in a very large room like an auditorium) you get little or none of that reflected light, so in these kinds of situations, you typically need to de-rate the flash by roughly the same 20-30% for a reasonably accurate maximum distance. If we take that into account, we find that the range is pretty much a mile even -- in fact, if we need to de-rate by 30%, it works out to less than a mile (5023 feet). |
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Posted: 04 January 2012 at 22:14 |
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