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    Posted: 29 December 2011 at 09:54
I didn't log on for a day or two and was surprised to see 5 pages of replies to my first excerpt from the article. Since you all enjoyed it so much I guess another excerpt is in order.

I could translate the rep's replies to questions about why Sony likes SLT technology so much and why Sony's mirrorless cameras are better than the competition but that is basically just sales talk, and would probably incite more arguments. So here is the final question of the interview.

Q: Sales figures from 2011 indicate that mirrorless cameras account for 40% of all exchangeable lens camera sales. Does Sony intend to put their main focus on NEX in the future?

A: There is no question that mirrorless camera sales are increasing. But we do not intend to focus on only one system. We want to maintain a balanced position. But there are a lot of manufacturers entering this new market so we definitely want to offer solid options to our customers.
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Seems to me that the E mount will dilute offerings for the Alpha mount. My guess is that in a few years from now Sony will primarily concentrate their camera business around NEX with the Alpha mount probably languishing or even being discontinued.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote WestCoast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2012 at 17:07
Originally posted by Tony Beach Tony Beach wrote:

My guess is that in a few years from now Sony will primarily concentrate their camera business around NEX with the Alpha mount probably languishing or even being discontinued.




That's what you got from this statement ... amazing insight

Sony says:

"But we do not intend to focus on only one system. We want to maintain a balanced position."
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony Beach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2012 at 20:28
Originally posted by WestCoast WestCoast wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Beach Tony Beach wrote:

My guess is that in a few years from now Sony will primarily concentrate their camera business around NEX with the Alpha mount probably languishing or even being discontinued.



That's what you got from this statement ... amazing insight

Sony says:

"But we do not intend to focus on only one system. We want to maintain a balanced position."

Well, you're "manners" are less than amazing. What I see is a company that needed to play catch-up with their Alpha mount lenses, but instead has introduced another mount and is even further behind with lenses for that new mount. Regardless of what was said in response to the question, it is clear that Sony will be diluting resources from the Alpha mount, that's obvious; the only question will be how much, and what will this mean for the future of the Alpha mount. I stand by what I wrote and I would even go so far as to say the Alpha mount is probably doomed and will be completely unsupported by the end of this decade.

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That would be almost suicide. Sony have millions invested in the Alpha line (not to mention they bought the KM camera division), and have that amazing deal with Carl Zeiss, which alone is enough of an advantage over Canikon to keep a fair market share. People actually buy A-mount bodies to be able to use the ZA lenses. Writing all that off would be an extremely unwise thing to do, and would also diminish the know-how that goes into the E-mount. A-mount is a fair chunk of camera sales for Sony.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2012 at 20:39
Originally posted by Bob J in the thread on the first part Bob J in the thread on the first part wrote:

Two things.

1. Too much personal abuse is being chucked around in this thread; it must stop now. I would recommend anyone who thinks they might have crossed a line to think about editing their posts.

2. This thread seems to have gone wildly off-topic - I think we should be very grateful to Jim for his translations of the interview, but it is very difficult to find the meat in this sandwich.


That applies here as well, pls. keep it civil guys. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and there is no need to take any personal digs.

We would appreciate everybody reading their posts and edit the personal stuff out. Don't react here if you think someone else is crossing the line, just hit "report post" and the one of the mods will deal with it.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2012 at 20:47
Originally posted by Tony Beach Tony Beach wrote:

Seems to me that the E mount will dilute offerings for the Alpha mount. My guess is that in a few years from now Sony will primarily concentrate their camera business around NEX with the Alpha mount probably languishing or even being discontinued.


I do not read that in the quotes and personally see too many actions from Sony being committed to both mounts (including FF lenses, which make no sense for a Nex) that make this unlikely.

Time will tell I guess.

Btw, thanks to revdocjim for the translations


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I think a common assumption seems to be that Sony has finite resources in which to invest in a particular product line. Admittedly lens expertise doesn't arise out of thin air, but Sony has readily outsourced lens design in the past, hence the Zeiss and Tamron connections. That leaves electronics, for which Sony has huge resources and there is no reason why they cannot devote sufficient energy supporting both mounts. After all, they've been churning out compact cameras for years and the rise of SLT and NEX doesn't seem to have impacted those yet.
If it sells, and they can make a profit then they'll surely make it.

Now, about that 500mm F4.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony Beach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2012 at 00:24
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by Tony Beach Tony Beach wrote:

Seems to me that the E mount will dilute offerings for the Alpha mount. My guess is that in a few years from now Sony will primarily concentrate their camera business around NEX with the Alpha mount probably languishing or even being discontinued.

I do not read that in the quotes

No, I don't see it in the quotes either, it is merely my own speculation (which I personally do not consider baseless).

and personally see too many actions from Sony being committed to both mounts (including FF lenses, which make no sense for a Nex) that make this unlikely.

Time will tell I guess.

Yes, time will tell, but lets review the last four years:

2011
1 APS-C lens, and 4 NEX lenses announced.

2010
2 "FF", 1 APS-C, and 3 NEX lenses announced.

2009
4 APS-C lenses announced.

2008
4 "FF" lenses announced.

Up to 2009 Sony's efforts were about equally divided between APS-C and "FF" lenses; since then over 60% of Sony's lenses have been NEX. I would suggest that this coming year will say a lot, and I will bet that Sony announces 3 more NEX lenses and perhaps the long overdue 500/4.

Originally posted by eccles eccles wrote:

I think a common assumption seems to be that Sony has finite resources in which to invest in a particular product line. Admittedly lens expertise doesn't arise out of thin air, but Sony has readily outsourced lens design in the past, hence the Zeiss and Tamron connections. That leaves electronics, for which Sony has huge resources and there is no reason why they cannot devote sufficient energy supporting both mounts. After all, they've been churning out compact cameras for years and the rise of SLT and NEX doesn't seem to have impacted those yet.
If it sells, and they can make a profit then they'll surely make it.

Well, Sony let the A700 go out of production and largely out of stock for a prolonged time before they finally got around to replacing it with the A77. Also, Sony hasn't tried to compete with Canon and Nikon with a large pro body with superior lowlight capabilities. Finally, Sony appears to be abandoning OVF, non-SLT DLSRs. All of that suggests to me that Sony in fact does have a finite amount of resources they are willing or able to throw at their camera business.


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While it seems that Sony has abandoned the pro market, i believe they have done so since they recognize the small market which it is. If you look at sales of what camera is popular just in Japan, its Nikons lowest offering the D3100 i believe. How pro is that?
Too have a stake in the pro market, would just be frosting on the cake, but i do not believe Sony cares about that, since that is not where the market share lies.
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and personally see too many actions from Sony being committed to both mounts (including FF lenses, which make no sense for a Nex) that make this unlikely.

Time will tell I guess
Yes, time will tell, but lets review the last four years:

2011
1 APS-C lens, and 3 NEX lenses announced.

2010
2 "FF", 1 APS-C, and 3 NEX lenses announced.

2009
4 APS-C lenses announced.

2008
4 "FF" lenses announced.




These statistics are far too small to go by. Do we have a similar comparison with Canikon world ?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tony Beach Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 January 2012 at 05:14
Originally posted by ratboy ratboy wrote:


2011
1 APS-C lens, and 3 NEX lenses announced.

2010
2 "FF", 1 APS-C, and 3 NEX lenses announced.

2009
4 APS-C lenses announced.

2008
4 "FF" lenses announced.


These statistics are far too small to go by. Do we have a similar comparison with Canikon world?

Nikon has been especially busy:

2011
1 FX lens, 1 DX lens, and 4 "1" lenses.

2010
8 FX lenses, and 1 DX lens.

2009
3 FX lenses, and 4 DX lenses.

2008
5 FX lenses, and 2 DX lenses.

Looking at the last two years, 27% of Nikon's lenses have been for their just announced "1" system, 13% have been for DX, and 60% have been for FX -- that's almost an exact inversion of what Sony has done.

In the last four years Canon has brought out 9 EF lenses, 4 EF-S lenses, and 2 EF teleconverters.

To summarize: Over these last four years Sony has brought out 12 Alpha mount lenses, Canon has brought out 13 EOS mount lenses and two teleconverters, and Nikon has brought out 24 F-mount lenses.


Edited by Tony Beach - 02 January 2012 at 05:19
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Originally posted by Tony Beach Tony Beach wrote:


Yes, time will tell, but lets review the last four years:


Looking at lenses is only part of the story, if you're bringing out a new mount you must bring out more lenses then when continueing a mount that has been there for 20+ years.

So let's do a body count

last 2-3 years : 9 A-mount and 5 E-mount
last 6 month : 2 A-mount and 2 E-mount



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Originally posted by ecsh ecsh wrote:

If you look at sales of what camera is popular just in Japan, its Nikons lowest offering the D3100 i believe. How pro is that?

"I want a D3100 because pro shooters use Nikon."

You can't separate the pro and hobby DSLR markets in your analysis. The existence of pro stuff will help the sale of hobby cameras.
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