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    Posted: 17 July 2017 at 12:46
Just like to share my 1st attempt at capturing kingfishers .These were taken at Adel Dam (leeds UK)

Not sure if i could of got some sharper images .The Light wasnt too good was very cloudy . Maybe someone could give me some advice on this.

shooting out of a hide .camera and lens sat on a ledge in the hide

These are taken with a Sony a77 mk1 and Sony 70-400 G mk1 .Cropped images .Kingfishers were sat about 8 meters away .

Shame about the reed in photo 3 .Maybe someone with editing skills in PS can clone this out ,(i dont have the skills for this )

thanks in advance..

Martin




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Kingfisher 5 by Martin, on Flickr

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Kingfisher 4 by Martin, on Flickr

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Kingfisher Taken at Adel Dam Leeds by Martin, on Flickr
 



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Nice shots mate! Always a treat to get a Kingfisher up close.

Though from a fellow A77 shooter, though using a Sigma 150-500, I've pushed ISO quite a bit further while still keeping more feather detail. Makes me wonder if you had IBIS still on while taking supported shots at a slow shutter speed?
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Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

Nice shots mate! Always a treat to get a Kingfisher up close.

Though from a fellow A77 shooter, though using a Sigma 150-500, I've pushed ISO quite a bit further while still keeping more feather detail. Makes me wonder if you had IBIS still on while taking supported shots at a slow shutter speed?


IBIS was turned on .i left this on Some of the shots i was only able to balance the tripod mount on the edge of the opening in the hide .Wasnt able to support the whole camera and lens .

Maybe a faster shutter speed would of been better ..

Not sure if i have some back focus issue with the 70-400 as some of the shots it seems that the branch that the Kingfisher is sat on seems slightly more in focus .Or is that just me ?

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Well it was a very cooperative bird and these are very good for a first attempt I reckon. Great pose in the first and the second has some nice feather detail.

Yes, your shutter speeds were much too slow unless you were rock steady on a tripod - and even then you will get a bit of motion blur in shots like #1 (that's come out pretty amazing, considering).

The solution to #3 is to go back I reckon.

I am not seeing any obvious front or back focus although it is hard to tell without knowing exactly where focus was (for me, it's not always what I aim at, especially if I'm not set firm or its windy).

Hopefully more consistently competent bird shooters than me will weigh in.
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Congratulations, these results are great for first shots! The first picture could be sharper in my opinion - maybe the shutter speed was too long or is it slightly defocused? The A77 (even at ISO 800) with the 70400 can definitely do better IMHO. Nevertheless, you captured a great pose! Shooting those birds is great fun! :)

Regarding lighting conditions: I like shooting when it is cloudy because you get a soft light then. Sun can create harsh shadows. If you can to create more vibrancy in your shots during cloudy weather you can either use a strong flash that can do HSS (which will also create some sparkle in the bird's eyes - some like that effect, others don't). Or you can also try some tweaking in lightroom or photoshop (or darktable resp. Gimp).

 



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I love kingfisher shots. Pity we don't have these beauties we're I live. I like number 2. Up the shutter speeds and show us some more in the future!
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Thank you for the input and advice .

i will be going back to the same place in a couple of weeks time .So hopefully the Kingfisher will show again .

Would it be better to shoot Jpeg to get max FPS and on continuous ? and i will push the iso next time .

This was only my 2nd time in even seeing Kingfishers so i think i was more overcome with joy at actually seeing them without thinking of settings in the camera

oh well will just have to keep going back for more ..

thank you again

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No real difference on the A77 if you shoot RAW, JPG or RAW+JPG. The FPS is the same but the max buffer varies slightly, though it's only by a frame or 2 before it slows down.
I'd say stick to RAW as it gives you lots more latitude for recovering any blown highlights and WB changes in post.

Your 70-400 G1 should by reports be sharper than the Sigma 150-500 that I'm using on my A77 and I'm starting to find that with good technique or a stable tripod that I can push it more than what I originally thought. Used to shy away from anything past ISO800 but I'll now happily go another stop, find that it's AF accuracy when it's that dark that kills image quality.

This one is of one of my local Kingfishers at ISO1250 without any noise reduction and with a touch of a crop. 1/125sec handheld at 500mm F/8

DSC09058 by Johan Olsson, on Flickr
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Originally posted by SnowFella SnowFella wrote:

No real difference on the A77 if you shoot RAW, JPG or RAW+JPG. The FPS is the same but the max buffer varies slightly, though it's only by a frame or 2 before it slows down.
I'd say stick to RAW as it gives you lots more latitude for recovering any blown highlights and WB changes in post.

Your 70-400 G1 should by reports be sharper than the Sigma 150-500 that I'm using on my A77 and I'm starting to find that with good technique or a stable tripod that I can push it more than what I originally thought. Used to shy away from anything past ISO800 but I'll now happily go another stop, find that it's AF accuracy when it's that dark that kills image quality.

This one is of one of my local Kingfishers at ISO1250 without any noise reduction and with a touch of a crop. 1/125sec handheld at 500mm F/8

DSC09058 by Johan Olsson, on Flickr


Nice shot with good detail and very little noise ..hmm looks like ill be pushing the iso up a touch then .Bit difficult to use a tripod , as its a bird hide thats not very big Maybe get max 5 people at any 1 time sat down ,6 at a push .Might have to get a small bean bag to rest the camara on (that could work).
Hopefully the next time i go the Kingy will show up and i will get some sharper
shots .Keep you posted

PS. Snowfella got to say i love Sydney been a couple of times to see family (Cromer Heights & North Curl Curl )
thanks again

Edited by linearamp - 18 July 2017 at 12:48
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