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Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by photoorb photoorb wrote:

I did the change from A77 to A7RII a couple of months ago. With the camera I also buy the LA-EA4.I keep some of my best A-mount lenses to use with the adapter.
Sold some of my old A-mount lenses and bought two E-mount lenses.
So when it comes to lenses I havenīt spend so much money.
The LA-EA4 is really amazing.
I would not praise LA-EA4 that much, it sure allows to use even A mount lenses with screw-driven AF, but the centrally located limited number of AF points makes it vastly inferior to newer A mount cameras, LA-EA3 and A mount lenses with builtin focusing motor or native E mount lenses on E mount cameras.


Agree. The LA-EA4 has the A65's focusing module which is not the top of the evolution and as it has been constructed for an APS-C camera, all the focusing points are very central on a full frame camera (as already mentioned). I hope Sony will show an adapter with support for screw driven lenses and without an extra AF module. That would be great for lenses like the 85/1.4ZA or 135/1.8ZA and all the legacy minolta lenses.
 



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Originally posted by Mark Twain Mark Twain wrote:

Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by photoorb photoorb wrote:

I did the change from A77 to A7RII a couple of months ago. With the camera I also buy the LA-EA4.I keep some of my best A-mount lenses to use with the adapter.
Sold some of my old A-mount lenses and bought two E-mount lenses.
So when it comes to lenses I havenīt spend so much money.
The LA-EA4 is really amazing.
I would not praise LA-EA4 that much, it sure allows to use even A mount lenses with screw-driven AF, but the centrally located limited number of AF points makes it vastly inferior to newer A mount cameras, LA-EA3 and A mount lenses with builtin focusing motor or native E mount lenses on E mount cameras.


Agree. The LA-EA4 has the A65's focusing module which is not the top of the evolution and as it has been constructed for an APS-C camera, all the focusing points are very central on a full frame camera (as already mentioned). I hope Sony will show an adapter with support for screw driven lenses and without an extra AF module. That would be great for lenses like the 85/1.4ZA or 135/1.8ZA and all the legacy minolta lenses.


I think a third part company should do this adapter (commlite or metabones) because Sony has given up on it and there is definetly a market.

The commlite and metabones are able to use the eye AF with PDAF which is not possible with LAEA3 adapter: which I find super loosy from Sony and upseting at the same time.
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
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Originally posted by photoorb photoorb wrote:

I did the change from A77 to A7RII a couple of months ago. With the camera I also buy the LA-EA4.I keep some of my best A-mount lenses to use with the adapter.
Sold some of my old A-mount lenses and bought two E-mount lenses.
So when it comes to lenses I havenīt spend so much money.
The LA-EA4 is really amazing.


Enjoy it, I think from your starting point: A77, you can only appreciate
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
Sony: A58/ A77ii / 28-75 f2.8 SAM/ DT 35 f1.8/ 85 f2.8
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 March 2018 at 09:56
I'm using the LA-EA4 a lot more recently. I find it OK for my use, but that's probably because also on my A700 and A850 I mainly used the central AF point. Especially in lower light I found focus/recompose more reliable then switching to a different AF sensor.
But I agree the AF array (mainly size) is limited so when I want to focus on something further from the center I switch to MF and move the magnification area to where I need it.
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Originally posted by PMac PMac wrote:

Ive made the switch from A to E mount and pretty much followed - and agree with - whats been said here.

1. its completely feasible to switch and use a mount glass plus adapters
2. to get the most from the e mount sooner or later you want to migrate away from adapters - however, there's no rush.
3. the a mount cameras are excellent, as are the e mounts except for a few very specific instances you can do pretty much whatever you want with either mount.

BUT

Ive found that ultimately the small size of the e mount camera means its with me far, far more often. An A7 series with the 38 2.8 is tiny - I essentially always have mine with me - always. You simply cant do that with a DSLR shape. Its this that has transformed my photography more than anything else.

I have sort of gone to the extremes- A-mount for serious motion stuff, tiny but amazing quality HX90 for having about all the time, which is even doing some of the landscape work my A900s used to have to do because my Lumix wasn't up to it, but with far and away less weight and bulk. The HX90 will go in my bumbag on a daily basis, and can be kept handy in a pocket when I'm off in the mountains. A smaller DSLR would still be too big to be my 'all the time' camera. And with big lenses, I loathe small bodies, even with my small hands, because I work hand-held and like things to balance without giving me cramp in my hands....
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Hi guys,

Lately I'm very about to pull the trigger for A99ii.

But I think, It can exists a current alternative for A-mounters to E-mount.

Yet very expensive, still existing. That is the A9.

Ok it is very expensive (like almost 2 times A99ii in price tag), but finally it seems to be the current body to go tio migrate.

Why ?

With A-mount we got the 12 fps continuous mode and none of us would want to lose that.
I have investigated a lot now as I would go for A99ii next month, and the 693 phase detection AF must be impressive with A-mount lenses.

Now the tricky part is that this 693 phase detect AF is crippled @ 2.5-3 fps on A7iii and totally unlocked for A9 @ 10fps (just between the 2 fastest settings on A-mount: 8fps - 12fps )

And then as soon as you make your new lens e-mount parc you'll be able to get up to 20 fps...

Definitely I don't have the $$$$ for A9 and I loved the 42 Mpx sensor out of the A7Rii, so for me I feel ok and very confident and comfy with the A99ii route.

Just wanted to share my latest point of view guys
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
Sony: A58/ A77ii / 28-75 f2.8 SAM/ DT 35 f1.8/ 85 f2.8
 



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I have thought of moving back to a-mount with A99II a few times. But the Eye-AF and SSM lenses on e-mount is my most used feature these days and I feel A7RII excels here over A99II
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Post Options Post Options   Quote braisim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2018 at 12:40
Originally posted by djfoxy djfoxy wrote:

Originally posted by Mark Twain Mark Twain wrote:

Originally posted by Hezu Hezu wrote:

Originally posted by photoorb photoorb wrote:

I did the change from A77 to A7RII a couple of months ago. With the camera I also buy the LA-EA4.I keep some of my best A-mount lenses to use with the adapter.
Sold some of my old A-mount lenses and bought two E-mount lenses.
So when it comes to lenses I havenīt spend so much money.
The LA-EA4 is really amazing.
I would not praise LA-EA4 that much, it sure allows to use even A mount lenses with screw-driven AF, but the centrally located limited number of AF points makes it vastly inferior to newer A mount cameras, LA-EA3 and A mount lenses with builtin focusing motor or native E mount lenses on E mount cameras.


Agree. The LA-EA4 has the A65's focusing module which is not the top of the evolution and as it has been constructed for an APS-C camera, all the focusing points are very central on a full frame camera (as already mentioned). I hope Sony will show an adapter with support for screw driven lenses and without an extra AF module. That would be great for lenses like the 85/1.4ZA or 135/1.8ZA and all the legacy minolta lenses.


I think a third part company should do this adapter (commlite or metabones) because Sony has given up on it and there is definetly a market.

The commlite and metabones are able to use the eye AF with PDAF which is not possible with LAEA3 adapter: which I find super loosy from Sony and upseting at the same time.


I tried an A7III with the 70-300 SSM (G1) using the LAEA3 adapter and Eye AF does work. I didn't have time to test it thoroughly or to see how it compared to AF performance with a native E-mount lens, but it seemed pretty good to me.
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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I have thought of moving back to a-mount with A99II a few times. But the Eye-AF and SSM lenses on e-mount is my most used feature these days and I feel A7RII excels here over A99II


I wasn't able to use it on A7Rii with sony 28-75/2.8 SAM => Message indicating that the lens ain't supported... => Ending up by using only the face detection.

Are you talking about A7Rii or A7Riii ?    Or is it that the feature is OK with SSM but KO with SAM which would be even worse that we would expect out of sony adapter/lens combo support
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
Sony: A58/ A77ii / 28-75 f2.8 SAM/ DT 35 f1.8/ 85 f2.8
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Originally posted by braisim braisim wrote:


I tried an A7III with the 70-300 SSM (G1) using the LAEA3 adapter and Eye AF does work. I didn't have time to test it thoroughly or to see how it compared to AF performance with a native E-mount lens, but it seemed pretty good to me.


So you confirm what says nandbytes, which indeed is even more concerning me about Sony support on its very own product . So far I'd conclude with PDAF "SAM" KO with eyeAF / "SSM" OK with eyeAF ... great...

Anyhow for someone not involved in portraiture, but more in fast tracking/moving subjects the 2 bodies A99ii / A9 remains the most logical and sure values choices.
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
Sony: A58/ A77ii / 28-75 f2.8 SAM/ DT 35 f1.8/ 85 f2.8
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 April 2018 at 16:59
Eye AF works great with LAEA-3 (not 4) on a7III and a7RIII. It is very accurate. And the cameras operate differently with adapted lenses vs native E. Adapting brings some interesting advantages, and some major losses.

Neat that when adapting A to E with LAEA3, and using medium or large focus spots, the interior of the spot lights up with individual spots and tells you which ones within the spot it's using. Native E lenses don't do that, instead they just show the hollow box. Also neat that only AF-S and AF-C are available... Because... AF-S works like DMF so no loss in function. Native E must be selected for DMF. Also neat that one single control for IBIS on/off. Native E controls are all over the place depending on which lens is used.

Don't be fooled by what seems to be fantastic AF tracking with A to E with LAEA3 for a7III and a7RIII. Many YTube vids make you think it's working, and it seems like it does when just pointing the camera around. But any drive setting other than single or low cont WILL NOT WORK. Only single shot and low continuous will track subject with adapted A lenses. It does it fairly well, but not as good as a99II.

The G2's track better than the G1's. 50ZA and 24ZA are really great adapted.

For video, they seem to track just as well as the native E lenses, but focus transitions are different, perhaps even better than native E (without the blooming hunt). Better when used in central portion of frame.
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I have owned A100 -> A700 -> A900 -> A99ii

The A99ii was leaps and bounds above all the bodies before it. When I used it, I felt like I had entered the modern camera age.

I recommend the A99ii if you want to stay in A-mount. I bought an A9 recently and in comparing the A99ii to A9, it did not feel like as large of a gap as it felt for the A900 -> A99ii. The A99ii is a really good camera and I am glad Sony made it to keep A-mount alive for at least another 5 years.

I also agree with most people who are saying to not depend on adapters, but purely as a technologist and not as someone who has tried using adapters. I think the A->E adapter was invented as a way to transition people into the new system with some compromises so that you don't have the full on shock of dumping a whole lens collection.

So ask yourself, do you love your current lenses? Can you afford to dump them for a new set of lenses?

Go to a camera store and try everything out. I had tried an A7Riii and would have never switched to e-mount for that. It felt weird. A9 felt right to me, with improvements in some areas that mattered to me, so I switched for that reason. Going from A900 to A99ii felt like a seamless transition. Everything worked as before, just better.
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Originally posted by antC antC wrote:

I have owned A100 -> A700 -> A900 -> A99ii

The A99ii was leaps and bounds above all the bodies before it. When I used it, I felt like I had entered the modern camera age.

I recommend the A99ii if you want to stay in A-mount. I bought an A9 recently and in comparing the A99ii to A9, it did not feel like as large of a gap as it felt for the A900 -> A99ii. The A99ii is a really good camera and I am glad Sony made it to keep A-mount alive for at least another 5 years.

I also agree with most people who are saying to not depend on adapters, but purely as a technologist and not as someone who has tried using adapters. I think the A->E adapter was invented as a way to transition people into the new system with some compromises so that you don't have the full on shock of dumping a whole lens collection.

So ask yourself, do you love your current lenses? Can you afford to dump them for a new set of lenses?

Go to a camera store and try everything out. I had tried an A7Riii and would have never switched to e-mount for that. It felt weird. A9 felt right to me, with improvements in some areas that mattered to me, so I switched for that reason. Going from A900 to A99ii felt like a seamless transition. Everything worked as before, just better.


Exactly as I said, the more natural switcher from A to E is the A9.

I am sold and totally convinced that the A99ii is my route to go.
Especially after my experience of A7rII with LAEA3.

I mean I felt in love with the 42 Mpx sensor, really astonishing sensor.
But the ergonomics and the form factor of the body is not fitting me: I'm tall with tall hands, my thumb was falling on the shutter button at first, super akward experience first I put the body in my hand.
Then super deceiving experience while operating despite laea3 with sony SAM lens and Tamron USD lens.


Thank you for your return, you have showed me that my thoughts about A to E are correct.
Minolta: XG1/ D7D/<beercan>135 f2.8/ 35-70 f4/ 35-105/ 70-210 f4/ 100-200 f4.5</beercan>/ 500 f8/ 17-35 f2.8-4/   50 f1.7/   50 & 100 f2.8 macro
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Originally posted by antC antC wrote:

...adapters...


On a7RIII, with LA-EA4, the camera flashes back and forth with "Incompatible Lens", when ZA1335/1.8 is mounted. It's troublesome. Same for ZA85/1.4, but to a lesser degree. No issue with my Minolta screw drives, and I haven't tested the SSM lenses yet.

The Tamron 45/1.8 works great with LA-EA3. The Sigma ART50/1.4 is terrible, doesn't work, it's broken, always hunting. Sig ART 35/1.4 works really well, almost as good as the FEZA35/1.4. Sig ART 24-105/4 is... meh... Better with LA-EA4 or AMount. The G1ZA 2.8 Zooms work pretty well, but not like when used on Amount. G270-400 G1/G270-200's are really great and accurate, but tracking limited to single shot or low continuous drive mode.
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