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    Posted: 04 January 2019 at 21:08
Hi everyone and I wish you the best for this new starting year of 2019,

I have just posted my tribute for my now dedicated macro camera: My Sony APS-C A58 entry level camera.

This camera was a bang for bucks when on the market. No other brand was offering so much features for so few from the wallet.

I have also profit of it to pass a message to Sony as I don't understand why they have given-up this side of the market: ILC + kit lens < 400


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Post Options Post Options   Quote skm.sa100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 January 2019 at 23:51
Well, one evening I was doing some backyard birding with my A58 and the Sigma 170-500 on a nice spring evening. Kids distracted me and I left the camera on a chair. It rained that night, of course. it has to, doesn't it?

The next morning, after my horror subsided, I let it dry out carefully for a couple of days. Then fired off a few frames. Worked just perfectly.

That was 2+ yrs back and it still works well.

Deserves a tribute certainly.
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I agree, they need to bring back the 5 series. Make it bare bones, low MP (relatively speaking) with few features except for one that will make everybody want one in their kit such as a low light monster ala a7S.
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Originally posted by skm.sa100 skm.sa100 wrote:

Well, one evening I was doing some backyard birding with my A58 and the Sigma 170-500 on a nice spring evening. Kids distracted me and I left the camera on a chair. It rained that night, of course. it has to, doesn't it?

The next morning, after my horror subsided, I let it dry out carefully for a couple of days. Then fired off a few frames. Worked just perfectly.

That was 2+ yrs back and it still works well.

Deserves a tribute certainly.


Hehe not bad for a sub 400 body indeed. I had used it under light rain without protectng it, but under heavy rain I wouldn't have the idea to try that out.
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Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

I agree, they need to bring back the 5 series. Make it bare bones, low MP (relatively speaking) with few features except for one that will make everybody want one in their kit such as a low light monster ala a7S.


Let's hope Sony will understand that aiming at premium is a good move but letting down the entry level market is a bad one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 January 2019 at 10:40
What are you guys complaining about? The A68 is 429 and a much better camera then the A58.
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

What are you guys complaining about? The A68 is 429 and a much better camera then the A58.

For $700 the A68 kit is quite nice. It is worth the $100 premium over the A58 for lots of reasons.

An A65 with the current image and AF sensors would be nice, but that was originally a $1000 camera. An A57 upgraded to the A58/A68 EVF would be good, but the A57 was a $800 camera. The A55 was $850 at launch and only dropped to $800.

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A68 30M 35 50 60M 16-50 16-80 18-55 18-70 18-135 55-200 55-300
A6000 LA-EA1 6.5 16 20 30 50 60 16-50 18-55 55-210
600si: 20 24 28 50 100M 135 24-85 24-105 28-105 35-70 35-105 70-210 75-300 100-200
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When the A58 was introduced, most people on here and elsewhere considered it a step backwards from the A57. I boughht two refurbished A57s complete with the 18-55mm kit lens from Sony with full warranty for £250 each while they were still being sold new for double that. I liked the A57 but preferred my A580 which was my main camera until I got an A77ii.

My rant at Sony if i did one, would be the fact that they stopped selling refurbished kit to the UK market as there were considerable bargains to be had from time to time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2019 at 09:12
Hmm, I remember that some dismissed the A58 because of the non-metal lens mount. Being trained as a mechanical engineer, I never understood the obsession with metal in photography

Jus checked the specs of the A57 and A58 and the A57 is the better camera. The sensor is different but similar (according to Dxo), the A58 has 5fps, the A57 10fps with a bigger buffer for the A57. The screen of the A58 has half the resolution. The EVF of the A57 is much better also. The A58 is basically an A57 with a different sensor and several cost cutting spec reductions. I liked it as a concept.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 January 2019 at 12:04
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Hmm, I remember that some dismissed the A58 because of the non-metal lens mount. Being trained as a mechanical engineer, I never understood the obsession with metal in photography

Yes, the mounts on the A58 and A68 work well. I have issues mounting some lenses to my A7II because Sony switched it to an all metal mount.

Just checked the specs of the A57 and A58 and the A57 is the better camera. The sensor is different but similar (according to Dxo), the A58 has 5fps, the A57 10fps with a bigger buffer for the A57. The screen of the A58 has half the resolution. The EVF of the A57 is much better also. The A58 is basically an A57 with a different sensor and several cost cutting spec reductions. I liked it as a concept.

The LCD EVF of the A57 appears larger, but it looks awful: dim, low contrast, rgb colors separate since they are refreshed sequentially. By default the A57 also crops the EVF to give better eye relief. The OLED EVF in the A58 and A68 is much better especially for use with eyeglasses.

The A58 body is a bit smaller and lighter than the A65/A57. It looks more like the A57 than the A37, but as far as performance it is more of an A38.

Not specified but rather important: the A58 has either a much weaker or a nullified anti-aliasing filter. Soft lenses are sharper on the A58, and sharp lenses alias more.

The 5 FPS full resolution limit seems reasonable on the slow A58, but arbitrary on the A68. Meanwhile the little A6000 can do 11 FPS but is much worse at focus tracking and much slower at SD writing than the A68. And the A6300 gained live-view at 8 FPS, while APS-C SLTs still only have it 3 FPS.

Edited by QuietOC - 06 January 2019 at 13:50
A68 30M 35 50 60M 16-50 16-80 18-55 18-70 18-135 55-200 55-300
A6000 LA-EA1 6.5 16 20 30 50 60 16-50 18-55 55-210
600si: 20 24 28 50 100M 135 24-85 24-105 28-105 35-70 35-105 70-210 75-300 100-200
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Originally posted by djfoxy djfoxy wrote:

My Sony APS-C A58 entry level camera.

This camera was a bang for bucks when on the market. No other brand was offering so much features for so few from the wallet.



Completely agree. Terrific camera for the money, which is why I bought one to replace my stolen A390. The EVF is very good notwithstanding the lower headline resolution, and the feature set is excellent, as is the actual performance.

And with a DT prime lens on it's lighter than many of the A7 versions.

They may have cut out some features, but the only two I miss compared with others is AF micro-adjust and zebra, so IMHO they did get it right. I've used a few other cameras since, but I still rate it highly.

It's pretty clear that Sony are pushing mirrorless at the entry level, though to get the IBIS the A58 had four years ago you have to pay nearly three times as much!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote djfoxy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2019 at 16:12
Indeed Sony is extensively pushing the mirrorless, but also in a premium way.

Thing is even if I can understand it for FF, I have difficulties understanding it with APS-C as in my point of view Sony has already lost this battle... Let's see if they can catch up the competition.
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If I recall, at the time the SLT line was released, it was seen as a stop-gap measure to bridge the way to the next breakthrough technology: mirror less. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Sony is focusing their efforts there. There isn't much of a market any more for entry level DSLR/SLT cameras. Cell phones have pretty much taken over that space. That doesn't mean that A mount is dead. It's just not getting the research and development resources that E mount is getting at the moment. There are only so many dollars to spread around.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2019 at 18:14
Originally posted by Basil Basil wrote:

There isn't much of a market any more for entry level DSLR/SLT cameras. Cell phones have pretty much taken over that space.

The lowest end 18 MP Canon DSLRs still dominate non-phone camera sales. Is that the same sensor they've been using since original 7D in 2009? The US didn't get the newer, even cheaper T100/4000D/3000D model.

The A58 was on that list when it was on sale for $398 in late 2014, early 2015. If you create an account on camelcamelcamel you can view historical sales rank data on Amazon. Best for A58K #112 on 6/5/2013. Best for A6000 #7 on 11/15/2014 and generally pretty high. A5000 #16 on 11/28/2014. A5100 #77 on 5/18/2016. A77II #226 on 11/28/2014. A68 #905 on 8/7/2016.

Sony announced the A7II on 11/20/2014. Best rank for body-only was #2 on 6/8/2017 and #108 for the kit on 11/6/2018 (first $998 kit sale).

Edited by QuietOC - 08 January 2019 at 19:14
A68 30M 35 50 60M 16-50 16-80 18-55 18-70 18-135 55-200 55-300
A6000 LA-EA1 6.5 16 20 30 50 60 16-50 18-55 55-210
600si: 20 24 28 50 100M 135 24-85 24-105 28-105 35-70 35-105 70-210 75-300 100-200
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