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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 January 2010 at 23:00
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

@muyaszed: first of all welcome to dyxum. Quite brave to start your posting career in the assignments because we're not easy here.

In the first picture I see some aspects of ROT, by the line of "nuts" going between two ROT points. However there are quite a few competing elements that disturb this which makes the overall composition a bit messy while also the shot looks flat and overexposed. Not enough for a pass I would say.

The second is slightly better in overall picture quality, but still a bit overexposed. However other than the 3 zones from top to bottom with dark - light - dark there is no other clear ROT element in there so for me also not a pass.

Hope this C&C helps and points you into the direction of better exposed pictures (using the full scale from black to white) as well as more clear usage of the ROT lines and points.


Thanks for the C&C, this is what i need. For me this is the best way to learn fast. All comments are noted. I will submit again. Thanks again
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2010 at 14:16
Hello, my attempts are from Friday - I tried to use snowy areas (as it was falling much more than I can ever remember) to help the geometry of pictures and, of course, to get the main subject in the right point... Thanks for your opinions... And one more thanks for your work on assignments!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2010 at 18:57
I had passed the old Assigment 1 but am happy to resubmit with a new photo. Huge icicle hanging from the underside of my roof. Glad nobody was walking under it when it fell! Tried to use rule of thirds for these two.



Pic 1 - Sigma 17-35 @ 17mm, 1/30, f16, ISO 200

Pic 2 - Sony 100 Macro, 1/125, f4, ISO 200

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2010 at 23:31
Just very simple ones..






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 04:15
Here is my attempt at this first assignment.




Shot with a850, 75mm, f2.8, flash, no cropping

Did I pass?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 09:07
@ kubuthor: Both pictures are ROT, but your second one is getting you the "pass" Simple lines and placement of the cat, not alot of further distractions. The first is a bit more messy with too many different subjects and lines (windows/trees/guy shoveling snow to outside the frame,...). As general C&C I find your B&W conversions a bit grey and drab. I think they need a bit more true black for punch and then a curve to lift midtones to create a bit more "luminosity" in them.

@ pcarmalt: For you also the second one gets you the pass, very simple and effective using 1 ROT line and two points (top and bottom of the icicle). The first has the same intentions but I find the composition too messy, especially the stands at the mid-bottom on your driveway are quite a distraction and kind of destroy the clear ROT character.

@ jkp1: you say very simple ones, I say it doesn't have to be any more for a pass, well spotted and I like both variants. Placement of subjects and lines is well done.

@goldsmid: also a pass for you, nice composition, headlamp well placed so it gets the attention you want to draw to it. Also like the "warm" tone you got in the picture and the detail and texture you managed to maintain in the dark parts of the smokebox.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 10:01
Pegelli, thanks for pass and your words... my BW conversions seem fine to me, but on the LCD of 15´ notebook... so, there is, I think the trouble... maybe (hopefully) in the future I´ll invest in some beter monitor, because you are not the first to tell me this...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 14:20
@goldsmid - I like that photo a lot, I agree that the golden glow is very nice, but to my eye the headlamp is too close to the edge of the frame. The bulb itself is right at the ROT intersection, but I think the whole lamp needs to be considered the subject. Also, the other light that is cut off by the edge of the frame is a little distracting.

I'm only mentioning because I think the photo is worthy of a print. Before that though, I would clone out the second light, and re-crop (if possible) to bring the headlamp a little more central. That would also give the engine a little more space to "look" into.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 14:30
Originally posted by p_man p_man wrote:

I would clone out the second light, and re-crop (if possible) to bring the headlamp a little more central. That would also give the engine a little more space to "look" into.


Watch out, if he can recrop he has violated the rules for the assignment, you can crop in 1 direction, but since this is the standard 3:2 aspect ration it should not have had any crop.

Btw, I agree the headlamp is close to the border, but in my mind not too close. probably a matter of taste. The second light is a good spot, I didn't notice that the few times I looked at the picture, which shows the power of ROT drawing and maintaining interest where it's supposed to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 14:36
Well, maybe he can crop a little off the opposite corner. I saw the second light right away because there is a leading line in the reflector on the headlamp that point right at it. It's interesting how differently the same photo can be experienced by different people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 14:43
Here is another shoot that I took with the headlamp more to center of the ROT. I used the same processing settings and no cropping. PLease let m eknow your thoughts on this one versus the other. It still includes the other light in the corner, but it is not cut off. I wonder if the light in the corner provide yet another leading point or if it is a distration?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 15:05
I like this second one better. I would still clone out the second line as it creates a leading line out of the frame. I also might take some off of the bottom. I don't know why but it just feels a little too tall.

If we continue this, we should probably take it to a new thread instead of cluttering up this assignment thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 15:17
i made some tries for the rules of third. Probably won't work at first but i'll go any way.

35mm F1.7 Iso 1600 1/40 sec. I haven't "played" with noise correction or other PP. Only one little crop.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2010 at 16:12
@ goldsmid... I like the new one better. I think it is much stronger like that!. It's exactly what I thought of when I first saw the original. For me, the light is providing me with a leading point out of the picture to your name... but pegelli is generally more perceptive at these things than me - and he's a choo-choo fan and there may be something I don;t see. Plus, you asked him.


Pieter, I can see you are busy so please feel free to take your time responding or just say "pass" or "fail" - I am unlikely to move on to #2 until next weekend. This is really good fun; and good discipline, which I really need.

I decided not to put the horizon on the third line because uncropped it would be too much uninteresting sky and I liked the water hyacinth to break up the foreground. However, I think the third line is fairly well marked and keeps our eyes in the more interesting part of the picture.



This time the third runs through the bird lighted by the setting sun, the head is off the third but I think that helps to pull us across to the other bird and therefore it is a good example. I won't change now, but the question is, should the imaginary third line have run through the tail, or would that (as I thought) leave too much dead space behind the bird? And of course there is a just too much space on the left to allow a pass. Oh... might I fail?



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