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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 09:49
Originally posted by jedidentite jedidentite wrote:


I just pre-ordered the 16mm kit with the nex 5 on ritzcamera.com with bing cashback.
Not too fond of how the 18-55 looks on the nex, but that 16mm pancake looks like a must have.


I'm thinking about the same. I debating between the 3 and the 5. Is the video mode worth $100 more? The mag case doesn't really matter to me.

I also will only consider the 16mm pancake. The whole point to all this is to have a compact "DSLR". The 18-55mm makes it so big that I might as well just carry my A300. I'll wait for a cheap ebay manual only adapter and use my 18-200mm with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 15:13
I tried one in a closed session. I don't have permission to publish pictures yet, especially that of a screenshot which will please many!



Shutter release without lens is back for sure much to everyone's happiness. Tried it with unchipped MF lenses.

There is a delay on startup, probably caused by priming the lens aperture - the NEX lenses have their apertures closed when not mounted, or when the camera is off. When you turn it on, it opens slowly, closes again, and then opens again animatedly. You can see the screen brightness animate when this happens.

Every picture you have seen of this camera makes it look a lot bigger than it really is! I can fit the 16mm and flash on camera, in a loose pocket (not a tight jeans pocket) but with the handle in first.

In some ways the interface is slower but not that slow - in Aperture Priority the dial controls aperture, pressing Down and rolling the dial changes EV (which you'll forget because your thumb is there). Changing ISO is slow though as you'd go into the menu, Camera, then change ISO.

I can't tell if it's focus by wire - you can't even see the focus elements moving if you look at it from the front. This applies to the 18-55mm at the 55mm setting.

Mounting the Sony 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro on the LA-EA1 lens adapter, I could see it jerk a bit, but pressing the lens release buttons did not reinitialize it oddly. So I don't know whether it even really tried. SAM lenses need to be switched to MF mode of course.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:08
Afripixel is a South African photographic group consisting mostly (but not exclusively) of Sony users. Today's meeting at the national war museum was of particular interest as Sony brought along the NEX cameras and accessories which were very well received. We were given an opportunity to play around with them and I can confirm that the E to A mount adaptor does AF with both SAM and SSM lenses. A bit slow compared to DSLR performance but very definitely fully functional. The tripod mount is also definitely included. Once attached to the 70-300mm SSM the NEX 5 felt surprisingly comfortable and was capable of great photographic results. I did not try out the video side at all. NEX is very important to Sony as it is seen as an area in which they will be the undisputed leaders and Canikon will be in the back seat. That said however they assure us that major efforts are still being put in to the Alpha mount.

The Sony representative also confirmed the A290 will be out shortly, when asked about video and the smaller mockup at PMA he responded that more than one version "could be possible" It seems (reading between the lines) that the 230/330/380 models are all due for replacement

The pros amongst us mentioned concerns with the future of the A mount at the top end with A700 gone and now A900 to. We were told that the A900 is NOT discontinued and that it's production line is still functional. Certain markets had taken a decision to run with the A850 only just like others had declined the A450. Whilst details are not available to those of us outside the Sony corporation we were told that Photokina will not disappoint and in fact we will probably get even more than we expect. One of the concerned pros was told to go ahead and invest in new top range glass "with confidence in the future"

Not even a hint on lens development could be winkled out except that it is "ongoing" for both E and A mount.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:15
first question again: how fast the AF
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:18
It's around the speed of those bridging compact cameras.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:41
In some ways the interface is slower but not that slow - in Aperture Priority the dial controls aperture, pressing Down and rolling the dial changes EV (which you'll forget because your thumb is there). Changing ISO is slow though as you'd go into the menu, Camera, then change ISO.


I think that if they take a page from the old Minolta playbook of letting you reassign the flash button to a custom button when the flash isn't on/mounted would be a clever way of giving you some more use. Or, let them reassign the Shooting Tips button for a custom button. For instance, you could set it to ISO or WB.

The amount of button presses to change ISO doesn't seem excessive to me, as plenty of Minolta cameras took six or seven presses to change ISO (Z series could not set the flash button to sensitivity). Would a single press button be more convenient? Absolutely. But I wouldn't consider it a dealbreaker as, truthfully, I would probably leave it on Auto ISO/WB most of the time if I bought one. Especially given that the performance for high ISO seems to be even better than a550. Since it can shoot RAWs, there's plenty of flexibility.

A dealbreaker would have been release w/out lens, and I'm very thankful that it's in there. I hope the adaptor companies get them out there lickety split. I also hope they can find a way to reverse engineer the aperture control on the A-mount adapter. If they could develop some kind of adapter with an aperture pusher for MD lenses it would be quite a feat. Then again, if the camera is as good at exposure simulation live view as I'm lead to believe, wide-open composing may not be as crucial.

I'm actually looking forward to something that needs less driving from me to get good results. Being able to loosen up when photographing is pretty important because people see my cameras and lenses and it completely changes the complexion of events. Hell, I can even do road signs again, which I couldn't do with my SLRs. Having a go-anywhere camera with great image quality is huge. Remember... the best camera is the one you have with you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:49
Originally posted by travfar travfar wrote:

Originally posted by jedidentite jedidentite wrote:


I just pre-ordered the 16mm kit with the nex 5 on ritzcamera.com with bing cashback.
Not too fond of how the 18-55 looks on the nex, but that 16mm pancake looks like a must have.


I'm thinking about the same. I debating between the 3 and the 5. Is the video mode worth $100 more? The mag case doesn't really matter to me.

I also will only consider the 16mm pancake. The whole point to all this is to have a compact "DSLR". The 18-55mm makes it so big that I might as well just carry my A300. I'll wait for a cheap ebay manual only adapter and use my 18-200mm with it.


The 5 is metal. Your adapted 18-200 will not have the silent AF and Aperature for video.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:51
Thanks for the great feedback albnok and teddybear!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 17:54
Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:


The amount of button presses to change ISO doesn't seem excessive to me, as plenty of Minolta cameras took six or seven presses to change ISO (Z series could not set the flash button to sensitivity).

I'm sorry to disagree with you but i don't see any reason why we should compare a new line of cameras with the minolta z one.
Going so "deep" in the past to find worst solutions isn't helpful IMHO.

While i do understand that these are low end products aimed at P&S users in the first place i believe it is better to compare their usability with other "EVIL" cameras on the market.

Just IMHO
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 18:05
I'm sorry to disagree with you but i don't see any reason why we should compare a new line of cameras with the minolta z one.
Going so "deep" in the past to find worst solutions isn't helpful IMHO.

While i do understand that these are low end products aimed at P&S users in the first place i believe it is better to compare their usability with other "EVIL" cameras on the market.


We don't really disagree here; I should be a little clearer in that, for me personally, I don't mind it. Others who want to change ISO every shot will obviously not like it. Hence why I suggested customizable buttons. The whole paragraph that you only quoted a snippet of explained that I didn't say the way it was is perfect; merely that it's something I could live with to get other benefits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 18:09
Originally posted by travfar travfar wrote:

Originally posted by jedidentite jedidentite wrote:


I just pre-ordered the 16mm kit with the nex 5 on ritzcamera.com with bing cashback.
Not too fond of how the 18-55 looks on the nex, but that 16mm pancake looks like a must have.


I'm thinking about the same. I debating between the 3 and the 5. Is the video mode worth $100 more? The mag case doesn't really matter to me.

I also will only consider the 16mm pancake. The whole point to all this is to have a compact "DSLR". The 18-55mm makes it so big that I might as well just carry my A300.


Really? It's still got to be noticeably smaller than that! But the "L" shape formed by the two pieces has got to make it difficult to stuff into a pocket. Either the lens or the camera by itself, no problem. Too bad they couldn't make the lens a bit retractable, like the Oly. It may not sound like much, but a few mm could make a difference. But I will reserve judgement until I can see it in person myself.



I'll wait for a cheap ebay manual only adapter and use my 18-200mm with it.


I'm not looking forward to MF with old lenses. A zoom-mode to assist with focusing might be a big help, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 18:15
I am curious to know how the 30mm SAM lens performs with the NEX5. If they get AF to work with it, then that could be the walkaround that we need - for stills of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 18:16
Originally posted by teddybear teddybear wrote:

It's around the speed of those bridging compact cameras.

This is with SSM / SAM lenses or with the E mount lenses? How fast is focusing with the SSM / SAM lenses as compared to E mount?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2010 at 18:17
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

I am curious to know how the 30mm SAM lens performs with the NEX5. If they get AF to work with it, then that could be the walkaround that we need - for stills of course.

See teddybear's post above. He says he tried it and it does AF with SAM and SSM lenses.
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