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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 16:47
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Cliff, please read what we wrote and don't misquote us. The main consideration for the size limits in pixels is set by the display sizes our viewers are using, and file size (to preserve bandwith) is a secundary (but still important) consideration.

Secondly you don't answer questions people ask in this thread, don't respond to suggestions/remarks we make but just keep harping the same points and then blaming us for not willing to listen, followed by derrogatory/cynical remarks.

I have already demonstrated that his complaint about aspect ratio distortion is meaningless. I have never seen any such distortion in anyone's images here. And since he refuses to respond to my earlier question about what he intends to do if the limits are changed, I hypothesize that he wants to create links to files that far exceed any possible dyxum restrictions, and does not want to manually downsample them first. I don't know what else to think about all this.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote MiPr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 16:51
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I hypothesize that he wants to create links to files that far exceed any possible dyxum restrictions, and does not want to manually downsample them first. I don't know what else to think about all this.

My wild guess is that all may be caused by misinterpretation of the following Wiki info:

Originally posted by Wikipedia Wikipedia wrote:

To produce the sharpest images possible on an LCD, the user must ensure the display resolution of the computer matches the native resolution of the monitor


It's a long shot thought
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 16:55
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

You really need to do this test in one of the picture threads (Open Views/Themed Views/......) since there the most left column (with the Dyxum.com logo at the top) doesn't show and gives more room for the picture to show.

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Interesting, does that get back to the Dyxum request that we submit smaller files and that Dyxum's scripts do not themselves resize images? However, the Dyxum guidance does indicate that Dyxum expends time and effort resizing images before judging. May be two different issues.

If Dyxum simply requests the end users browser to resize that does nothing to help users with limited bandwidth. The entire file is transmitted, and it is only the display that is downsized. Internal display bandwidth is not the problem. If that is the case, why bother? Go directly to file sizes to respect bandwidth limitations.
I'd suggest adding an option for basic HD images at 1280x720. Here's how the whole thing would look as you described in the language I use to avoid me making syntax errors.

current logic and add basic HD:
If HD-width and HD-height = image-width and image-height then exit
Elseif image-width or image-height > Dyxummax-width or Dyxummax-height

.msgBody img, .PMmsgBody img {
    max-width: 1024px;
    height: auto;
    max-height: 900px;
    margin: 0px;
    padding: 0px;
}
Endif

or perhaps when Dyxum image linking to remote source files remove the browser resizing request and replace it with a line to enforce image file sizes (currently a little less than 1mb).

If imagesize > max-size exit and show error message
    link remote image
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edit: MiPr this was in response to your post at 3:33 on page 2. Sorry it's so far removed from that.

Edited by Cliff - 10 January 2018 at 17:16
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Post Options Post Options   Quote MiPr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 17:39
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

If Dyxum simply requests the end users browser to resize that does nothing to help users with limited bandwidth. The entire file is transmitted, and it is only the display that is downsized.

That's exactly the case, and I'm glad you've finally found a few spare minutes to read our answers
And yes, this does not help people with limited bandwidth and yes - this is quite frustrating at times (and for me personally).

Internal display bandwidth is not the problem. If that is the case, why bother?

No "internal bandwidth". The hot-linked photo is passed directly from the hosting site to the end-user's browser - it does not go through Dyxum at all. Why bother? This has been answered numerous times.

Go directly to file sizes to respect bandwidth limitations.
I'd suggest adding an option for basic HD images at 1280x720. Here's how the whole thing would look as you described in the language I use to avoid me making syntax errors.

Dyxum runs on a third-party software, not our homebrew. Not easy to hack it and there is always some penalty at the end of this (like problems with updates, broken compatibility, etc.)


current logic and add basic HD:
If HD-width and HD-height = image-width and image-height then exit
Elseif image-width or image-height > Dyxummax-width or Dyxummax-height

.msgBody img, .PMmsgBody img {
    max-width: 1024px;
    height: auto;
    max-height: 900px;
    margin: 0px;
    padding: 0px;
}
Endif

That's a nice one: create one-off "pass" that fits your particular needs The problem is most probably we would need as many such passes as there are Dyxumers Proper solution would be to scale the image to the size of the viewport.

or perhaps when Dyxum image linking to remote source files remove the browser resizing request and replace it with a line to enforce image file sizes (currently a little less than 1mb).

If imagesize > max-size exit and show error message
    link remote image
Endif

Hmm, that's interesting: how to check file size from JavaScript before actually downloading the file from a third-party site. Probably can be done - need to look for the solution. Personally I would love to implement such feature - just to cut off those who do not care about other's bandwidth

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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 January 2018 at 19:19
Originally posted by MiPr MiPr wrote:

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:

Same here , looking at them on my laptop P.C which has a screen of 1280x800. The last image of 960x540 needs just a touch of movement .
If there wasn't the column on the left of the page I wouldn't need to.

Just click this icon



and feel good Tested on on my 1280x800 Win10 tablet/hybrid (Gee! It's not 16:9 but 16:10! OMG, Dyxum should take this into account - this is industry standard for such devices in the end! )



Eeee , fancy that eh !
Now they all fit on the screen with the last one being a bit smaller .

Often what that symbol in the corner was for .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mpb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2018 at 08:43
Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


Eeee , fancy that eh !
Now they all fit on the screen with the last one being a bit smaller .

Often what that symbol in the corner was for .


Ditto.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2018 at 12:27
Originally posted by mpb mpb wrote:

Originally posted by neilt3 neilt3 wrote:


Eeee , fancy that eh !
Now they all fit on the screen with the last one being a bit smaller .

Often what that symbol in the corner was for .


Ditto.


If you hover the cursor over it, it will tell you.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2018 at 15:55
So, to summarise (correct me if I'm wrong):

1. Dyxum contains code to force the browser to set the normal (100% view) of images to be a maximum of something like 1024 wide and 900 high (I got lost in the discussion about exceptions).
Posting smaller images or thumbnails is good practice when appropriate.
If you post larger images, they get shown the same size but cost the user more bandwidth downloading (a decreasing issue for most of us, I expect, though may be of particular relevance to mobile users); OTOH it does allow people to zoom in more without pixellation. This may be useful on some occasions (eg to see camera/lens problems), and to some users with wide screens.

2. There is nothing to stop you posting images of any aspect ratio, and if they are widescreen you can post them wider than 1024 without excess bandwidth; Dyxum will tell the browser to resize the pics but you can override that if you wish, answering Cliffe's problem.

3. There is no kind of distortion introduced by Dyxum or your browser in this, except what is involved in resizing itself.

4. You can adjust or maximise the image size to suit viewing, including the little button in the top right.

So it looks to me like the problem Cliffe raised is already dealt with. Right?


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