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    Posted: 04 December 2011 at 14:12
i'm considering to buy one or two russian lenses but can't make up my mind which version to choose: the one with arabic letters or that with kyrillic. what do you guys prefer, if you have the chance to chose?
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Google gives me nothing useful.
Photo of lens with arabic writing?

If you mean latin letters, and are suggesting that some models came in two versions, maybe some other poster knows about this. I've only seen cyrillic letters on Russian M42s.

Edited by Kilkry - 04 December 2011 at 14:26
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Russian products with English inscriptions were often export variants. It does not necessarily mean that their quality was different. It might have been better, but there is no general rule about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wilu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2011 at 15:02
Originally posted by Kilkry Kilkry wrote:

Google gives me nothing useful.
Photo of lens with arabic writing?

If you mean latin letters, and are suggesting that some models came in two versions, maybe some other poster knows about this. I've only seen cyrillic letters on Russian M42s.

you're right, of course! i meant latin letters and confonded them with arabic numbers... thanks for your notice.

one of the lenses - the one which is most interesting to me - is the Industar 50-2 50mm f3.5. it is made in M42 and M39 mount. i have the feeling that the M39 version is the same as the M42, just with an extension tube mounted to make up for the difference in flange distance. can anybody confirm this assumption?
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There are many versions of Industar 50, including one for enlargers.
According to the data from the manufacturer here are the specs.
Industar 50-2 was made only in M42 mount with working distance of 45.5 mm.
Industar 50 came in two versions of M39 mount, with working distance of 28.8 mm for rangefinder cameras and 45.2 mm for SLR cameras like Zenit-S. Again, You have to check individual lens as there very many versions with different construction and finish: http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248188712843.html

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It is also possible that the lens doesn't always have the registration distance corresponding to the mount.
I have a copy of an 85mm lens with a 39mm thread, that actually is closer to an M42 lens and needs a medium sized extension tube to actually work as an L39 lens. On the flip side, a simple thread adapter means that this will then work as an M42 lens instead.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Alex H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2011 at 16:34
Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

It is also possible that the lens doesn't always have the registration distance corresponding to the mount.
I have a copy of an 85mm lens with a 39mm thread, that actually is closer to an M42 lens and needs a medium sized extension tube to actually work as an L39 lens. On the flip side, a simple thread adapter means that this will then work as an M42 lens instead.


Tim, if You are talking about Helios-40, than it was originally made for the mentioned above Zenit-S. Several first models of Zenit SLR cameras had M39 mount, and not M42. It had exactly same pitch as LTM, but different registration distance, very close M42 (see my post above) that was later implemented in Zenit cameras.
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I bought an m42 mount Industar 50-2 a few years back. If you get one I think you will be pleased both by its small size and the IQ you will be able to obtain for such a small price.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tigertimb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2011 at 17:12
Originally posted by Alex H Alex H wrote:

Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

It is also possible that the lens doesn't always have the registration distance corresponding to the mount.
I have a copy of an 85mm lens with a 39mm thread, that actually is closer to an M42 lens and needs a medium sized extension tube to actually work as an L39 lens. On the flip side, a simple thread adapter means that this will then work as an M42 lens instead.


Tim, if You are talking about Helios-40, than it was originally made for the mentioned above Zenit-S. Several first models of Zenit SLR cameras had M39 mount, and not M42. It had exactly same pitch as LTM, but different registration distance, very close M42 (see my post above) that was later implemented in Zenit cameras.


Hi Alex
That gives an explanation to the variance I was seeing too, although with a different lens; and I agree - it's not quite M42 in my case either; it doesn't focus quite to infinity.
My example is a Jupiter 9 85mm f2 as I wanted a portrait lens for my NEX-5.
The first example was a short fat silver version, which it turned out was L39 thread but close to the M42 registration distance (on my A900 this still gives good portraits, although not quite focussing to infinity). I then found a 2nd taller thinner black copy of the Jupiter 9 which does exactly what I wanted and works nicely on the NEX
Nothing in the names to say which is which, although the length maybe should have been a clue; but both very very cheap for an 85mm f2
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Indeed, terminology or russian lenses is a bit complex. For example, the above mentioned Industar 50 could be sometimes separated by the label, where Industar 50-2 was M42 version. Jupiter 9 is a mess on the other hand, as it came in M24x1, M39x1 (both 22.8 and 45.2 register), Contax/Kiev-rangefinder mount, Nikon/Kiev-SLR mount and M42x1... I am glad that it only took You two attempts to find the right fit
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Wilu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 December 2011 at 22:05
Originally posted by Alex H Alex H wrote:

Again, You have to check individual lens as there very many versions with different construction and finish: http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248188712843.html

Alex

thanks everybody for your input, especially thank you Alex. unfortunately my russian is very bad, in fact i know about 10 words (Lubitel, Industar and Zenit included ). but it was sure nice to have a look at some of these lenses. there is something special about them, that i like.
by the way, i decided to buy the one with the kyrillic letters, can't wait till it's here .
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Originally posted by tigertimb tigertimb wrote:

It is also possible that the lens doesn't always have the registration distance corresponding to the mount.
I have a copy of an 85mm lens with a 39mm thread, that actually is closer to an M42 lens and needs a medium sized extension tube to actually work as an L39 lens. On the flip side, a simple thread adapter means that this will then work as an M42 lens instead.


This will be the m39 lens for the Zenit 3M - I have a couple of these lenses and the registration is the same as for m42 - you can get a simple adapter that takes the m39 out to m42.
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