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    Posted: 14 January 2012 at 01:16
Has anyone copied 35mm slides with a scanner? I've been working with a friend and helping her to use a MicroTek i800 Scanner to copy 35mm slides.
I found the scanner method is VERY, VERY S L O W!
It took forever to do a tray of 12 slides. Once we learned the entire process it did speed us up a bit, but still way too long. The scanner programs are really difficult to get through the whole process, at least it was for me.

The scanner is apparently a slightly older model and she got it for 1/4 the price for a brand new scanner. I can understand her reluctance to buy something else, but perhaps that could be the only solution. We agreed to do some searching.


There has to be another way without sending them somewhere..yes?

She literally has thousands of slides. All very important work of many years of photographing in jungles and other places using film.

Any help is appreciated, as always, if anyone has another solution or ideas.
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Lynn
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Post Options Post Options   Quote vitor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 01:31
I would say that for speed and convenience the Epson V700/750 are the best compromise.
If I'm not wrong, they allow you to do a one pass scan of a bunch of slides.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote k9tales Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 01:39
Originally posted by vitor vitor wrote:

I would say that for speed and convenience the Epson V700/750 are the best compromise.
If I'm not wrong, they allow you to do a one pass scan of a bunch of slides.

I'll take a look at that one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 02:03
I just LOVE my Minolta Dimage Scan Elite 5400. It's the first model with fire wire and/or USB. Although the second model is supposed to be faster (5400II), I think that rating is based upon the software they came with. It's a whole new game with ViewScan by Hamrick.

A full resolution scan produces a 109mb file, fully retouched with Digital Ice in about six minutes. Very easy to use once you get the swing down. The Minolta software is crap. Get the ViewScan by Hamrick.

Here's a test file with their watermark.



Original 109mb file can be found HERE... It's been optimized as a 4.7mb download. Just magnify in screen and you'll see how smooth and dust free it is.

Get the Diimage Scan if you care about best IQ.
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All consumer slide scanners are slow, making bulk scanning of thousands of slides a daunting task. The list, moving from slow to fast, includes...

1. Slot-load types that feed only one slide at a time
2. Slot-loaders that use trays holding up to four slides at a time
3. Flatbed scanners that can scan four or more slides at a time
4. Slot-loaders that can use an optional automatic slide feeder

Another fast option is to not scan slides at all, but to copy them with a digital camera using home-grown solutions. I have one example here. And Pete Ganzel built an automated gizmo that he might be willing to lend you. ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 16:56
Just for clarity, #4 above is still very slow - but since you could theoretically set 50 slides into the loader and go to bed, it would end up taking little of your time.
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I've recently tried experimenting with photographing slides using a set up that includes an off-camera flash, a perspex diffuser as background and a macro lens. Results are reasonable (although you need a modeling light for the camera to AF) and very quick, but not quite up to the quality of my Dual Scan II... I didn't do a direct comparison, but there is not a lot of difference between the Dual Scan II and the higher-resolution (but flat-bed) Epson V350...

I can show the set up and some comparisons if you are interested.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote leohendriks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 17:20
I use a slide duplicator (1 to 1) on my DSLR.
As illumination I use a cold cathode lamp (Soligor SV130-PRO)

I stopped using scanners when I realized I had a quick and easy to use scanner with sufficient pixels.

You need to fiddle around a bit with camera settings.
I had them in memory (A850).
I lowered contrast by one or two steps to make sure there would be suffcient latitude (for slides). ISO was 200 and exp time typical 0.4 sec.

Duplicated negs as well. Used Vuescan for correction.

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Originally posted by leohendriks leohendriks wrote:

I use a slide duplicator (1 to 1) on my DSLR.


About a year ago I finished copying ~25,000 slides using my older KM 5D and a 'front of lens' duplicator. I use flash illumination as I found that a cold cathode lamp (in a light box) exposures were long and there was a risk of vibration.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote k9tales Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 18:19
Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

I've recently tried experimenting with photographing slides using a set up that includes an off-camera flash, a perspex diffuser as background and a macro lens. Results are reasonable (although you need a modeling light for the camera to AF) and very quick, but not quite up to the quality of my Dual Scan II... I didn't do a direct comparison, but there is not a lot of difference between the Dual Scan II and the higher-resolution (but flat-bed) Epson V350...

I can show the set up and some comparisons if you are interested.


Thank you for the generous offer but I'll have to decline.   Ruth would not be able to do advanced slide copy such as this. She is still learning things about the computer. although she is more advanced on a PC than any other 83 year old, this would not be something she would be able to handle.
Actually, neither would I, but I thank you for the suggestion. I always like to know these things even though I couldn't pull it off.

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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Just for clarity, #4 above is still very slow - but since you could theoretically set 50 slides into the loader and go to bed, it would end up taking little of your time.


I realize that scanners are inherently slow. Maybe someone will come up with some mind-blowing way to speed copy.

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Update:
My friend emailed me last night that after I left she continued to copy her slides. She got 100 of them done and was very pleased. She, and I, needed to figure out the steps. (scanners can really give you fits with all the windows and adjustments, pre-scans etc.).

I think we are set for now. I suggested that when working at her computer she throw a tray of slides in and let it run while she does her other work. Don't have to sit and listen to the scanner scan.

Scanning is a lengthy procedure but well worth the time, especially when the slides are from years of travel and research, by her husband. Thousands of slides..think she will have to live to be at least 100 to get them done. Now that's a good thing!

Thanks everyone! You all have been a great help and I have learned even more than I knew before I opened this topic!
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The Minolta Scan Elite 5400, first version, is excellent.

1. High resolution.
2. High DR for slides.
3. Hardware filter for suppressing grain.
4. IR solution for removing scratches and dust.

It is slow. But you win a lot of pp-time with 3 and 4.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2012 at 19:07
Originally posted by dekie dekie wrote:

The Minolta Scan Elite 5400, first version, is excellent... It is slow. But you win a lot of pp-time with 3 and 4.


I thought it was slow too until I got the ViewScan software. From memory, single pass, no ice, medium resolution scans are accomplished in 15-20 seconds... I think... it's really fast.

Even the highest res, fully iced scans are fast considering how clean they are. The multi-pass can add time, but I've never needed to use it for extra shadow detail. The standard pass is great.
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