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Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

if they start making more lenses for Sony they will probably be E-mount, which makes me think why are they not doing that. could it be that Sony are stopping them somehow. ok Sigma please I want the 135 1.8 if you don't mind
Well, Sigma will sell you that lens with the MC-11 in either Canon EF or Sigma mount

I don't think it is Sony that is holding Sigma back, I think it is just easier for Sigma to sell you the MC-11 in stead of a dedicated E-mount version.
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When I recently make inquiry by the Contact link on the Tamron UK webpage I had to enter a Phone number. To my surprise I had a phone call from Tamron UK distributors known as INTRO 2020 LTD. they told me straight that Tamron cannot invest into Sony A mount unless Sony states the future of the A mount and what they intend to do. We all know that Sony have moved to the E mount and most 3rd party manufactures think the A mount will be dropped. I have heard it in the past from Sigma and now from Tamron. So I feel that Sony were the one that opened the can of worms you only have to look on eBay at the price of Minolta High speed lenses, 30 years old and still going for around £500. I had a 1st generation DSLR the Minolta 5D with Minolta AF mount I still use all my old lenses with my Sony a700 and a450. OK there are still lots of old lenses out there compatible with the full Sony A mount camera range but you try to find good dust and fungus free semi pro lenses F2.8 Why can Sony not see what they are doing to loyal A mount users???
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Originally posted by Stephen.brown23 Stephen.brown23 wrote:

When I recently make inquiry by the Contact link on the Tamron UK webpage I had to enter a Phone number. To my surprise I had a phone call from Tamron UK distributors known as INTRO 2020 LTD. they told me straight that Tamron cannot invest into Sony A mount unless Sony states the future of the A mount and what they intend to do. We all know that Sony have moved to the E mount and most 3rd party manufactures think the A mount will be dropped. I have heard it in the past from Sigma and now from Tamron. So I feel that Sony were the one that opened the can of worms you only have to look on eBay at the price of Minolta High speed lenses, 30 years old and still going for around £500. I had a 1st generation DSLR the Minolta 5D with Minolta AF mount I still use all my old lenses with my Sony a700 and a450. OK there are still lots of old lenses out there compatible with the full Sony A mount camera range but you try to find good dust and fungus free semi pro lenses F2.8 Why can Sony not see what they are doing to loyal A mount users???


What a nonsense. It isn't Sony's fault, Sony has time and again stated that they fully support A-mount and they released A-mount cameras yearly the last couple of years. If the UK importer of Tamron states that "Tamron cannot invest into Sony A mount unless Sony states the future of the A mount and what they intend to do" then that is just a lousy excuse. The A-mount might be too small to invest in, but claiming that Sony is "unclear" is absolute nonsense.

The interesting thing it is usually a local distributors that claims that Sony is unclear, never the company itself....
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Why donít you ask Tamron and Sigma the question of why there is no replacement 70-200 F2.8 for the Sony A Mount. I am only going on what I was told here in the UK. I even tried Sigma USA they told they could not deal with me. That is why I asked the Question. UK stock EU stock should be the same for now anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote neilt3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 21:39
Originally posted by Stephen.brown23 Stephen.brown23 wrote:

Why donít you ask Tamron and Sigma the question of why there is no replacement 70-200 F2.8 for the Sony A Mount. I am only going on what I was told here in the UK. I even tried Sigma USA they told they could not deal with me. That is why I asked the Question. UK stock EU stock should be the same for now anyway.


If you want full commitment to A-mount by Sony you need to but their products .
That means lenses as well as bodies .

It's O.k saying that the reps of Sigma or Tamron etc , or shopkeepers that you've spoken too claim they won't make new lenses to compete against Sony's own lenses because Sony won't tell them their busness plans and intentions for A mount .

Why would any firm want to give information to the competition so that they can sell lenses (etc) instead of getting you to buy their own ?
The only lenses that are missing from their (Sony) lineup are a few specialty lenses that would have little demand but a large R&D and production cost .

The simple fact is that no firm has an infinate production capacity , they concentrait on producing the lenses that sell well in volume .
To stop production to run off a small batch of Sony A mount isn't profitable .
The demand for lenses in Nikon or Canon mount keep the production lines working to capacity , why distrupt that for a few A mount lenses .
Anyone telling you otherwise is just passing the blame onto Sony .

Most of my gear is A mount , and most of my lenses are Minolta with a few Sony ones .
Some E mount and some Canon EOS gear , and a ton of film gear .
I'm happy with what I have .
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aarif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 21:52
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


I don't think it is Sony that is holding Sigma back, I think it is just easier for Sigma to sell you the MC-11 in stead of a dedicated E-mount version.


I will never buy a lens if not native and compromise the AF, I might buy an adapter for my existing lenses though.
 



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Just asking: Why has Sony developed the A99 MKII? The A99 MKI is a superb instrument. I desire to purchase the A99 MKII, eventually. However, will Sony support the A99 MKII for any period of time? Or is it created only to aid Sony to predict the market for an E version of this camera? This is a concern.

Sony is an excellent company. I highly appreciate the excellence of their photo products. However, many of my A Mount glass are not of Sony origin because other companies frequently produce varieties of glass that meet my needs better than Sony and at prices I can afford. And unfortunately, I cannot turn to Sony as frequently as I desire.

Comments and observations please?

Thank you

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 23:46
This thread started out as a call to sign a petition for Sigma to do something in particular. Maybe there's some merit in pursuing that, though I don't really know.

Now the discussion has moved toward personal wish lists and analyses about why things are the way they are.

Is there now a call to petition other manufacturers to do something in particular? If so, well, let's hear it. Otherwise ...

If one is unable to obtain what one wants in the A-mount system (from Sony or from any other company) for whatever reason (stuff is not offered, stuff is too old, stuff is too expensive), it seems the two main courses of action are to carry on anyway without that something or to switch to some other system. Or am I mistaken?
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by Stephen.brown23 Stephen.brown23 wrote:

When I recently make inquiry by the Contact link on the Tamron UK webpage I had to enter a Phone number. To my surprise I had a phone call from Tamron UK distributors known as INTRO 2020 LTD. they told me straight that Tamron cannot invest into Sony A mount unless Sony states the future of the A mount and what they intend to do. We all know that Sony have moved to the E mount and most 3rd party manufactures think the A mount will be dropped. I have heard it in the past from Sigma and now from Tamron. So I feel that Sony were the one that opened the can of worms you only have to look on eBay at the price of Minolta High speed lenses, 30 years old and still going for around £500. I had a 1st generation DSLR the Minolta 5D with Minolta AF mount I still use all my old lenses with my Sony a700 and a450. OK there are still lots of old lenses out there compatible with the full Sony A mount camera range but you try to find good dust and fungus free semi pro lenses F2.8 Why can Sony not see what they are doing to loyal A mount users???


What a nonsense. It isn't Sony's fault, Sony has time and again stated that they fully support A-mount and they released A-mount cameras yearly the last couple of years. If the UK importer of Tamron states that "Tamron cannot invest into Sony A mount unless Sony states the future of the A mount and what they intend to do" then that is just a lousy excuse. The A-mount might be too small to invest in, but claiming that Sony is "unclear" is absolute nonsense.

The interesting thing it is usually a local distributors that claims that Sony is unclear, never the company itself....


"Supporting A Mount" can mean almost anything. There is the A99ii. There possibly will be an A77ii replacement, but there have been no new lenses or indication of future new A mount lenses. Maybe it means just new A mount bodies -for now at least. If Sony is not producing any new A mount lenses, this is surely a signal to Sigma and Tamron.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

... it seems the two main courses of action are to carry on anyway without that something or to switch to some other system. Or am I mistaken?

You are mistaken.

The evidence shows that the overwhelmingly-prevalent course of action is to whine online, post your private wish-list, and mope about suffering GAS-2 (n.b. Gear Acquisition Syndrome is the originally-dignosed problem, but the 2nd one (Gear Angst Syndrome, or GAS-2) is entirely-different, and even-more debilitating). All other courses of action are in the distinct minority, and hence not "main".

Speaking of which, I need to go hit SAR and post a long rant about A-Mount's crucial need for a 400/2.8 !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2017 at 00:34
Well, I wasn't intending to sound confrontational in my comment; but looking at the fact that Sony has not released a truly new A-mount lens since 2012, and not even a vII update lens since 2015, the writing appears to be on the wall regarding new A-mount lenses from other manufacturers.
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I'm surprised that no-one in this thread has yet mentioned that Sigma had their reputation trashed, and re-chipped hundreds(?) of A mount lenses for free because their reverse engineering did not cater to SLT cameras when they came out. (I mention this for the newer members wanting a petition, who may not be aware of the history). Do recent developments like eye focus, full tracking, etc. work in A Mount with non-Sony lenses? Is further reverse engineering financially viable or possible?

The impression I gained from forums was that Tamron used to have access to A Mount protocols, yet I don't see reports of recent Tamron SSM lenses functioning with Sony's latest focus developments. Has Sony found a way of restricting A mounters to using newer Sony lenses only, if they want to have access to the latest developments? If so, why would other lens manufacturers invest in introducing lenses which can't (or can't economically) offer the full functions offered by newer camera bodies?

I can't answer these questions, so I'm going to go out and take pictures once the weather here has ceased being woeful.
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Well, I wasn't intending to sound confrontational in my comment; but looking at the fact that Sony has not released a truly new A-mount lens since 2012, and not even a vII update lens since 2015, the writing appears to be on the wall regarding new A-mount lenses from other manufacturers.

Please accept my apologies if *I* seemed confrontational ; I only meant to seem cynical about fans&forums (including myself -- that 200/2 sounds sweet!

I too feel some "future of the A-Mount" worries; but let me play Devils Advocate and argue a bit for A-Mount security...

While it's true the A-Mount lens-releases have lagged, it cannot be argued that the E-Mount has really needed the built-up line that Sony has been giving them... Admittedly, some of that GMaster action would be awfully nice in A-Mount!

But really, there aren't a lot of glaring omissions anymore, in the lens lineup for A-Mount. 400/2.8 maybe? The a9 is a bitchin' sports-beast, and the ultra-fast 400 seems to be a sports staple; so I bet that'll hit for E-Mount over A-Mount (unless maybe we get an A99iiS?). A new tele-macro (something in the 150-200 mm range) seems apt; a re-release of the legendary MinO 200/4 would be all kinds of awesome! Some other f/4 teles & tele-zooms, cheaper/lighter than the 2.8's, would be VERY welcome by MANY (Beercan.V2, anyone?) ... but the existing 70-300 & 70-400 G's would mostly handle that need, I think ... No, there's lots that would be nice, but very little that's needed.

Not to mention the existing used market (and some lenses still available from Sig/Tam).

Really... what could Sony MAKE (at a reasonable price-point) that the public would BUY (in enough volume to justify the design-time & production-run)?

But when you look at the release timeframe for the A99ii / A77ii / a68, they are largely in line with Sony's release-intervals for FF / TopTierAPS / SeriousAmateurAPS. So in bodies, all our most-recent releases are on-schedule with a "business-as-usual" .

If my analysis is right (and I admit that's an "IF" and that your arguments are equally sound), we may see some more "v.II" lenses and even some genuinely new A-Mount glass, once the E-frenzy fills the stable of lenses...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2017 at 03:35
Originally posted by Steve-S Steve-S wrote:

Really... what could Sony MAKE (at a reasonable price-point) that the public would BUY (in enough volume to justify the design-time & production-run)?

Not much at all because the A-mount user base is now too small, and in all probability still shrinking. The same question - and the same answer - applies to other lensmakers. Hence there is a choice of either looking to some other system for fulfillment or accepting the reality of what A-mount is today and carrying on regardless. I'm one of the carry-on-ers.
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