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    Posted: 16 January 2012 at 02:55
I'm still looking for viable backup alternatives that are simple and portable.
I'm planning on moving during this year, so I don't want to install anything fixed yet.

I was thinking on getting a portable HDD (Iomega or Lacie were recomended to me) but a friend working in IT suggested that a pendrive would be more reliable, but probably more expensive.

What's your experience with both systems?

Looking forward to your comments.

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It all depends on how much backip you need. Pen drives would be expensive if you need more than 32 Gb, whereas an external HD (In the UK) is less than 100 GBP (160 USD) for 1 Tb. Pen drives are NOT infallible!
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For size, safety, cost and reliability, I find that there's no beating Backblaze.com $5/month, unlimited storage. Plus, no backup system that has all the copies in the same building is safe from fire, flood, earthquake, or theft.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 12:57
Originally posted by utcreeper utcreeper wrote:

For size, safety, cost and reliability, I find that there's no beating Backblaze.com $5/month, unlimited storage. Plus, no backup system that has all the copies in the same building is safe from fire, flood, earthquake, or theft.


How does it work the first time round? I've got over 1tb of data so guess it'll take over a month and probably push me over an internet 'fair usage policy' too. Do they let you post them DVD's or hard drive to do the first backup from?

Re the original topic; I have an 'Iomega eGo Portable 500 GB' - the mac edition with 800Mbps firewire connection. It's very light and powered by USB and/or firewire so no need for extra power cable. Strongly recommend, especially out in the field.
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions!

After reading your tips I started looking into an online backup service, and I like the features of CrashPlan, it has an unlimited storage plan for ~USD 49/year, backing up even the removable storage devices.

@Tricky, CrashPlan advertises that in some of their plans they will send you a portable disk for the first backup, in order to avoid the transfer of such large files over the net.
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Hi,
I faced basically the same issue in 2011, result I built a SAN.
5.2Tb on my network 100mbps wired and all that for around 600$.

I still keep a small 320gb ssd drive while I'm away for overnight backup.

On the online side, I think that smumug does a fair job for 60$ a year.

Your choice, have a good day !

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There is no guarrantee that any on-line service is reliable. With home based backup, you can at least double up (i.e. 2x HDs). Although no backup is 100% reliable, by having redundancy you improve the odds: at least it will be under your control! I back up the whole of my computer to 2 1 Tb drives monthly using Vice-Versa, alternating the drives. I also make a completely independent back up of my photo files to both a 500 Gb HD and to DVDs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote frankieg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 15:28
The thoughts of using an online backup for storage just does not work long term. Aside from the "first time backup" just do the calculations for one good shoot where you shoot 100 raw files. Even compressed that's going to be 2.5 GB. Now if it's worth backing up why would you save the JPG and not the RAW file. Typically the upload speeds are much slower than the download speeds. With a little overhead on a 500kbs upload line you would take 12 hours to do it. Oh by the way don't figure on using the connection for much else during that time. Also don't figure on reaching your maximum upload speed all the time anyway because these services are very busy and they throttle connections after a short period enabling those with less to upload to have the priority.

Bottom line there are no online backup plans that really are a fit for a prolific amateur photographer and for sure no pro could ever use one.

I have been using on site raid storage for years along with raid in the main desktop. It's the only way to go. I currently have a QNAP 4 bay Raid 5 with 3TB usable storage. I can back up to it in the real world at a rate of 20-25MBS (mega bytes)that's one sec per RAW file.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skoropada Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 15:43
I think I'm making up my mind on what to get, considering my plans for the near future.

- I will get a NAS drive for my home network (Probably iOmega Home Media Cloud Edition 1TB)
- I will keep using my Toshiba 750GB USB HDD for backup.
- I will get a CrashPlan service for online storage.

The reasons for this are:

- NAS drive will be easily accesible while connected at home and will keep my backup up to date almost constantly.
- CrashPlan client can handle both online backup and local backup, making it a single system to control.
- Online backup is slow, but it's off-site and accesible from all over the world.
- The portable USB drive adds redundancy to the backup system but will be updated quite less frequently.

As I mentioned in my first post, I will be undergoing a relocation during this year, probably moving abroad, so I don't want to install a full-blown local backup system now, but I do want to keep my data safe, both my pictures (that will take the most of the space) and my other data (documents, e-mail, etc.)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote russellsbags Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 16:04
I have two 1TB drives setup on a RAID 1 system and feel extremely relaxed about that. I guess no system is 100% reliable so I just make the best of what is available and this does it for me.

It doesn't seem a lot of space, especially now I have an A77, but I do a savage cull of the 'trash' every month or so and it's amazing how much space it creates. I guess some of you will need smaller culls but I seem to have a high percentage of rubbish
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Post Options Post Options   Quote utcreeper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 19:50
Yup, online backup isn't "fast", but it runs whenever the computer is on, and you can set how much bandwidth you want it to use. So if you're planning some heavy gaming for the night, just throttle the backup down. I have my online backup client running on my NAS, so it's a non-issue, but that's not practical for everyone.

However, I do take issue with suggesting that a local RAID is safer than having a local copy and a copy in a datacenter. The datacenter's copy will also be on a RAID, usually RAID5+1, but with someone there monitoring the HDDs for errors 24/7. It also has industrial fire suppression systems, battery backups and generators, seismic-safe building methods, water-tight construction, and armed guards. On top of that, unless you skip a piece of your shopping homework, it's in a different geographic region than your local copy. So a widespread disaster that destroys your local copy won't take out your backup copy too.

There's nothing wrong with having several copies at home, and it's a good idea because hard drives do fail. But a failed hard drive isn't a disaster. Flood, fires, earthquakes, wars, etc are disasters. Off-site backup is a key pillar to any Disaster Recovery plan. Certainly you don't *have* to have an offsite backup, and there are ways to do that without an online service (mailing a DVD/hdd to a friend in another city). Just remember that recovering data from an HDD damaged by fire is very, very expensive.
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UTCREEPER has some good points here.

Another avenue of offsite backup that is a bit faster for large files is to just use the storage that is available to you if you subscribe to any one of a number of hosting plans.

Use an FTP client to upload to data. There are also many other ways to get the images there like using FTP in conjunction with Lightroom or use a FREEWARE backup client like "Syncback" It will wake up at night and do an incremental backup to your hosting site via FTP based on your settings. These hosting sites are true datacenter centric environments.

Right now I use Syncback to backup to my onsite Raid systems but could use it to do both remote and local.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote russellsbags Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2012 at 21:15
Originally posted by utcreeper utcreeper wrote:

However, I do take issue with suggesting that a local RAID is safer than having a local copy and a copy in a datacenter.

I made no such suggestion. I just stated what method I use.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tezzating Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 January 2012 at 02:45
Do you want to take your drive with you places ? Then stick with solid state.
There's nothing quite as sickening as watching the hard disk with your clients work (I do web development) smashing onto the ground. Ask me how I know.

Luckily the data was recoverable, but the drives ruined. Now my portable storage is solid state.
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