FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Sony 30mm F2.8 DT Macro SAM hands-on!

Page  12>
Author
albnok View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 01 October 2007
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Posts: 993
Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sony 30mm F2.8 DT Macro SAM hands-on!
    Posted: 15 September 2009 at 23:36

F22: What is that I see, right in front of me?


F2.8: Speaker grilles!


F14: Stereo mike.


F2.8: More speaker grilles!


What else, but the new Sony 30mm F2.8 DT Macro SAM lens! It features SAM (Smooth Autofocus Motor) and an AF/MF switch, and can focus to 129mm from subject to sensor plane (or 20mm from the front of the lens). Interestingly, they mark the inches with "in" where there is space.

It can capture an image at 1:1 magnification - that is, the surface area captured is equal to the sensor size (23.5mm X 15.6mm on the A700 for example).


From the underside at F2.8; notice the longitudinal chromatic aberration (the reddish outline in front of the focus point, and the greenish outline behind the focus point.)

A slight rant - people tend to confuse longitudinal chromatic aberration with lateral/transverse chromatic aberration (which appears towards the sides and corners of wide-angle lenses) and purple fringing (which appears at the point of focus, especially with white on black detail.)

More reading on the various types of chromatic aberration, here:
http://wiki.panotools.org/Chromatic_aberration


F2.8 (100% crop from the Sony Alpha 900.) This lens has longitudinal chromatic aberration (or LoCA in short.) LoCA is common in Sony, Minolta and Zeiss lenses, and it adds to the color of the out-of-focus areas, giving Minolta lenses their definite look. My old Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm F2.4 had a tendency to bring out ultramarine-blue purple fringing, though (which is a bad thing, but can be reduced by choosing a darker aperture.)


F2.8: 30mm on APS-C gives the same angle of view as a 45mm lens on a full-frame camera. This is often considered 'normal' - neither wide nor tele. Depending on how you compose, you can make it seem wider or more telephoto.


F2.8: Real shallow.


F22: The obligatory shot. You know what this is.


Previously my experience with SAM lenses is that you might've been able to turn the focus ring when the body is set to MF, or focus is achieved and the focus screw clutch disengages (body DMF - Direct Manual Focus). However, the instruction manual tells you not to! No wonder it does feel a bit rough.

No matter what, you need to set the AF/MF switch on the lens to MF, in order to turn the focus ring. You can still use AF/MF or DMF on the body to stop focusing - just don't turn the ring.

These warnings are written in the instruction manual for a reason. The manufacturer will not fix your lens for free under warranty if you have damaged it this way, because they have already warned you! Same reason why McDonalds Apple Pie boxes state: Caution: Contents May Be Hot. So if you burn your tongue, you can't sue McDonalds because they have already warned you.


F2.8: At F2.8, it is sharp, but not too sharp (like the Tamron 60mm F2.0 Macro DiII, also an APS-C 1:1 macro lens). This makes the lens good for walkaround purposes, where the kit lens would usually stop you from getting too close (exception being the Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 EX DC and Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC, with exceptional minimum focusing distances of 20cm).

It reminds me of my wonderful time with the Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 35mm F2.4 M42 lens - it could focus to 19cm close! So instead of zooming in (not possible on this prime lens) I would just get closer to the subject until I filled the frame with my subject. Great fun for walking in the park or the woods.

Shallow, narrow-minded camera-owning people will tell you that macro lenses must have long focal lengths. Obviously, their idea of macro is only insects (which are often, painfully boring because they tend to throw composition out of the window and go into "oh you guys are all about gear... hey look here's the same insect at 5 different magnifications all higher than 1:1. Oh yes, all 5 pictures are the same thing, same angle.")

These macro nuts look at cropping as an evil sin, but they do not hesitate to take a few pictures at different focus points and merge them together (focus stitching.)

Last I knew, shooting macro means shooting anything small. A macro lens can be used for close-ups. You can shoot flowers. Grass. Miniature figurines. Patterns and details you never knew existed.

If you shoot the same thing with a long lens, you will get a different perspective, and shallower depth of field, which does not help with macro - you often need to step down to F16-F32 to get something tiny in focus! You also need a lot of light from your flash. A shorter focal length is easier.

With a wide macro, you can get a shot like this:


17mm F8. You can get a flower and a building in the same shot! In retrospect I should've stopped down to F22. And borrowed the lens for a much longer period of time, it was great fun!

Edited by albnok - 16 September 2009 at 18:52
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
utcreeper View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 22 October 2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Posts: 1063
Post Options Post Options   Quote utcreeper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 00:23
Cool! I've been thinking this might be a great, light-weight walk-around. Do you happen to know the actual weight of this lens?
Me @ flickr
Various A-mount gear
Back to Top
mz-n10 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 12 June 2009
Status: Offline
Posts: 390
Post Options Post Options   Quote mz-n10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 00:30
Thanks, i was looking at this lens early today on Adorama.
a900|a200|M70-210f4|M50f1.4|S17-80|∑28-80|24-70Z|T17-35|Samyang 14|Samyang85f1.4
Back to Top
albnok View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 01 October 2007
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Posts: 993
Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 00:35
It's definitely lighter than my Minolta 50mm F1.4, probably kit-lens weight.

mhohner.de says it's 150 grams.

http://www.mhohner.de/sony-minolta/onelens/afdt30f28m

Edited by albnok - 16 September 2009 at 00:38
Back to Top
condellm View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 06 October 2007
Country: Saint Lucia
Location: Antigua WI
Status: Offline
Posts: 99
Post Options Post Options   Quote condellm Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 00:50
So cool to see a report on this lens. I have been coveting one at least for its wide side. Thanks for a guide too on the possibilities I did not think of. Now to get the price and start saving.
Back to Top
analytical View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 30 January 2007
Country: United States
Location: central Texas
Status: Offline
Posts: 1336
Post Options Post Options   Quote analytical Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 00:56
Originally posted by albnok albnok wrote:

Previously my experience with SAM lenses is that you might've been able to turn the focus ring when the body is set to MF, or focus is achieved and the focus screw disengages (body DMF - Direct Manual Focus). However, the instruction manual tells you not to! No wonder it does feel a bit rough.

No matter what, you need to set the AF/MF switch on the lens to MF, in order to turn the focus ring. You can still use AF/MF or DMF on the body to stop focusing - just don't turn the ring.

Note that DMF and MF do NOT disengage the focus screw from the lens on any Sony or Minolta DSLR. They disengage a clutch inside the body upstream of the reduction gears. (The Minolta 7D and only the 7D has another setting called Smooth Focus that does indeed disengage the drive screw by retracting it into the body.)

But anyway this system is surely a negative for any camera with a MF thumb button or DMF option, since MF becomes far less convenient. Sony apparently really meant it when the press release said that the SAMs were intended for beginner cameras.       

Edited by analytical - 16 September 2009 at 16:38
12mi sw of Glen Rose,TX
photos
equipment
Back to Top
dr4gon View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 28 July 2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Posts: 214
Post Options Post Options   Quote dr4gon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 15:07
How's the auto focus speed on this lens with SAM?

Nice writeup!
flickr/dr4gon - a300, HVL-F58AM Flash(For sale)
Back to Top
analytical View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 30 January 2007
Country: United States
Location: central Texas
Status: Offline
Posts: 1336
Post Options Post Options   Quote analytical Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 16:36
I see that the 30 also lacks some features of the Sony and Minolta (D) 50 and 100 macros.

     Filter rotates with focus: 30 yes, 50&100 no. In other words polarizing filter is impractical on the 30.
     Focus ring rotates in AF mode: 30 yes, 50&100 no. This is important for the 50 and 100 because they have wide focus rings (nearly 1/2 the length of the lens) so you can steady the lens and make precise focus adjustments at the same time.

     For the 30 the narrow ring right at the front is out of the way, but I wonder how well that works in practice for MF? Any comparison to the 50 macro for example?

     The 50 and 100 macros have a lower than standard gear ratio in the focus mechanism to facilitate precise MF. Is that true of the 30 as well?

   



12mi sw of Glen Rose,TX
photos
equipment
Back to Top
albnok View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 01 October 2007
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Posts: 993
Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 September 2009 at 18:53
With SAM lenses, we have no idea how many gear turns it takes.

I would say that focus is not instant, but it certainly is not slow to acquire focus, either.

analytical: Thanks for the note on DMF. Updated original post.

The focus ring is sized as it is... not that hard to grab, really. Then again I am used to my Minolta 50mm F1.4 Original's focus ring...
Back to Top
lionking View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie

Joined: 01 July 2008
Location: Singapore
Status: Offline
Posts: 44
Post Options Post Options   Quote lionking Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2009 at 09:55
just heard from my friend who tired it, it is very good ! picture quality is stunning !! nice bokeh !!
Back to Top
dogears View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 05 September 2006
Location: Philippines
Status: Offline
Posts: 9109
Post Options Post Options   Quote dogears Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 September 2009 at 10:10
Wow on the samples. I wonder how would it fare against the Tam60/2 or Sig70/2.8 --- I'm thinking macro :P
Back to Top
polyglot View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 25 June 2007
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Posts: 3505
Post Options Post Options   Quote polyglot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2009 at 04:03
I realise this is a DT lens, but suspect it might cover FF at high magnifications even though it doesn't at infinity. Did you try it on an 850 or 900 near 1:2 or 1:1 magnification?

I guess there's no way to defeat the auto-crop BS, but if the coverage is there, it could work on an SSM-compatible film SLR.
Back to Top
albnok View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 01 October 2007
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Posts: 993
Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2009 at 04:37
This is the first DT lens that I totally forgot to bypass the auto-crop (press the lens release button and turn it 1 degree loose, so it holds in place but does not contact; turning it looser will stop down the aperture blades.) I guess I was too engrossed with shooting macro that I forgot to take full-frame vignetting tests!
Back to Top
dogears View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 05 September 2006
Location: Philippines
Status: Offline
Posts: 9109
Post Options Post Options   Quote dogears Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 September 2009 at 05:01
It won't vignette... at least according to sonyhk
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Equipment forums > Lens Talk Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.203 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the Minolta / Alpha-mount dSLR photographer.

Feel free to contact us if needed. You can support future development by making a donation.

Links monetized by VigLink