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Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I wonder if you have the Nikon 300mm f/4 PF? Something like that would be nice for the e-mount system. A small, sharp and reasonably fast teleprime you can use with TCs to get more reach.

Having owned the 70-400mm, I'd really miss that 70mm end on a 100-400mm...


Not personally no, but i have heard its very good (I dont have it as i have 120-300 and 400mm F2.8's)

As far as the 70mm side of things, i guess Sony figures many people already have either a 24-70 or 70-200 so probably compromised to keep size down.

I think it may have a hard time against the new sigma 100-400 which seems a lot better priced (provided the AF is good)
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Originally posted by lonewolf lonewolf wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I wonder if you have the Nikon 300mm f/4 PF? Something like that would be nice for the e-mount system. A small, sharp and reasonably fast teleprime you can use with TCs to get more reach.

Having owned the 70-400mm, I'd really miss that 70mm end on a 100-400mm...


Not personally no, but i have heard its very good (I dont have it as i have 120-300 and 400mm F2.8's)

As far as the 70mm side of things, i guess Sony figures many people already have either a 24-70 or 70-200 so probably compromised to keep size down.

I think it may have a hard time against the new sigma 100-400 which seems a lot better priced (provided the AF is good)


Sony says they have been listening to what pros are asking for.   I'm would guess that this lens is designed to compete with the popular Canon 100-400mm II. Though I'd also think not starting at 70mm would reduce size. Remember Sony are going after the pro users with this camera and lens, so I doubt the Sigma would have been thought about. Its the Canon that is popular with pros.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

Originally posted by lonewolf lonewolf wrote:

Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

I wonder if you have the Nikon 300mm f/4 PF? Something like that would be nice for the e-mount system. A small, sharp and reasonably fast teleprime you can use with TCs to get more reach.

Having owned the 70-400mm, I'd really miss that 70mm end on a 100-400mm...


Not personally no, but i have heard its very good (I dont have it as i have 120-300 and 400mm F2.8's)

As far as the 70mm side of things, i guess Sony figures many people already have either a 24-70 or 70-200 so probably compromised to keep size down.

I think it may have a hard time against the new sigma 100-400 which seems a lot better priced (provided the AF is good)


Sony says they have been listening to what pros are asking for.   I'm would guess that this lens is designed to compete with the popular Canon 100-400mm II. Though I'd also think not starting at 70mm would reduce size. Remember Sony are going after the pro users with this camera and lens, so I doubt the Sigma would have been thought about. Its the Canon that is popular with pros.


The sigma is brand new and not really released yet (and Sony wouldnt have known about it during the G-masters development)
I'm sure there will be some comparison reviews done eventually between all of them.

Depends on the pro's you're talking about
Most of the high end sports and wildlife guys shoot with fast primes but the 100-400 certainly is versatile, bit like a travel zoom
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2017 at 19:01
In the past (and even now​ to some extent) i have considered shooting Nikon just for the sigma 120-300mm and 300mm PF.
Since I don't have the time or skills to use such a combination effectively I have put the idea on hold.

With MC11 there is really a good chance of being able to shoot one system. From what I gather the AF performance is not on par with native lenses (apart from latest 85mm art lens). I am not sure if the limitation is with hardware i.e. the focusing mechanisms or if sigma can eventually improve performance with updates. I sure hope it's the latter.
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I'm talking about the pros Sony is talking about. What do I know anyway, I'm not a pro by any stretch. But I recently did hear Adam Jones say that he travels with the 100-400, and the 500mm plus teleconverters but more often he'd have the zoom on his camera because of the versatility. Certainly for me the Sigma would be of more interest because of price, but, I haven't checked, but I doubt it is available in native A or E mount (I know they have the adapter for E mount).
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Actually very happy that Sony has reached such a level.
Despite all mentioned here, a9 is milestone.
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Originally posted by AudioDoc AudioDoc wrote:

I'm talking about the pros Sony is talking about. What do I know anyway, I'm not a pro by any stretch. But I recently did hear Adam Jones say that he travels with the 100-400, and the 500mm plus teleconverters but more often he'd have the zoom on his camera because of the versatility. Certainly for me the Sigma would be of more interest because of price, but, I haven't checked, but I doubt it is available in native A or E mount (I know they have the adapter for E mount).


Well yes of course the artisans at the launch of the lens are going to say how fantastic it is
dont get me wrong, i think it will be very good (there isnt a bad g-master)
Max Yurev did comment about how big the barrel is and how little space there is for fingers on the grip though.

Looking at his profile he's a travel group leader so a lightweight zoom makes a lot of sense, i was thinking more your pro NFL and national geographic type people.

Yeah the Sigma isnt available in Sony mounts, you'd adapt the canon version via MC11

Edited by lonewolf - 21 April 2017 at 02:36
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I saw the exuberance at DPR ... but I missed the part that it's only 24mp and not 42.

There will be whiners.

It's still a higher resolution and framerate than a 1Dx or D5 (and lower priced), which is its competitor. I think people are willing to trade off some resolution to get a 20 FPS framerate with AF and no blackout.

Since posting, I've already seen a couple of comments saying that 24mp is not enough. It's human nature to want it all.

Who said Sony isn't planning an A9R as well?
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Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

I wonder why they made another battery. It seems likely the NP-FZ100 is using the same physical size cells as the NP-FM500H. I guess there could be issues charging the higher capacity cells with older chargers. These new batteries will probably wear out faster especially since this camera seems to be rather power hungry.


I think it's a different size, though only slightly. Mind you, the Sony website doesn't make the comparison easy, quoting grams and fractional inches for the NP-FZ100 and decimal inches and ounces for the NP-FM500H
And before this, I *really* can't remember the last time I read a dimension as 29/32".

Maybe it also has different electronics inside. More info for the camera?

Edited by Miranda F - 21 April 2017 at 13:52
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Originally posted by overeema overeema wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

I saw the exuberance at DPR ... but I missed the part that it's only 24mp and not 42.

There will be whiners.

It's still a higher resolution and framerate than a 1Dx or D5 (and lower priced), which is its competitor. I think people are willing to trade off some resolution to get a 20 FPS framerate with AF and no blackout.

Since posting, I've already seen a couple of comments saying that 24mp is not enough. It's human nature to want it all.

Who said Sony isn't planning an A9R as well?

Most of us assume there will be, as I said on page two of the thread. It will of course be missing some of the features that are only available because of the 'low' res 24mp sensor of this camera. Nobody will actually 'get it all'. Just the bits they care about the most.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2017 at 09:38
An interesting article by Mark Galer on Son'y vision for the future. I found it on Sonyalpharumours, btw.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote arpictures Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 April 2017 at 19:41
Originally posted by owenn01 owenn01 wrote:

Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

Sounds like a great camera. Probably out of my league.


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Are there any reports on AF quality? Sony has the best sensors in the market for sure; AF was the issue with Sony. Any news on A9 AF capabilities?

All I heard that it is great but is it great enough to beat Nikon D5? IIUC, AF is also not only driven by body, it is a combination of lens and body. For the A9 market, I assume AF speed accuracy is the key but I haven't heard anything strongly about it so far.
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