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    Posted: 21 July 2009 at 22:36

I got myself the new Sony HVL-F20AM flash!


It's a quickly-foldable flash that turns off when it is flipped down.

It also turns off the moment you start turning the flash downwards so you can't use it at a halfway position.

It has a very nice, solid springy snappy feel. You will enjoy the tactile feedback from flipping it! I would say it feels 80% similiar to closing the HVL-F58AM flash stand. It has rubber padding on the front to prevent the A900's prism head from marking the flash. :)


It takes 2 AAA batteries.


When mounted on the Sony Alpha 900 (or any Alpha without a pop-up flash, according to the manual), it can control the Sony F36AM, F56AM, F42AM, and F58AM. However, the F20AM cannot be used as an off-camera flash. This is the first Alpha flash that can't.

The F20AM cannot control off-camera flashes on the A100/A200/A230/A300/A330/A350/A380/A700 as far as I know (and according to the manual) but I will update this post if I find that it actually can, tomorrow night...

Fortunately, the pop-up flash of the A100/A200/A230/A300/A330/A350/A380/A700 all can trigger off-camera flashes. So it's not a functionality that is strongly needed on those cameras anyway!

Off-camera Group Ratios

The F20AM cannot set off-camera group ratios even on the A900 but that is fine by me - ratios would need a complex interface on the back of the flash, like the F58AM, since the Alpha flash ratios are set on the flash and not the body. It's also meant to be simple to target the A230/A330/A380 market while throwing in a bonus for the A900 crowd.

Bonus Combination!

Nikon has a SU-800 unit which mounts on their flash mount, and triggers off-camera flashes. Nikon also sells a SB-400 flash which is small and can be set to bounce mode.

Canon has a ST-E4 unit which mounts on their flash mount, and triggers off-camera flashes. Canon also sells a 270EX flash which is small and can be set to bounce mode.

However, this Sony HVL-F20AM combines both the trigger unit and small flash into one! If you wanted to use both the SB-800 and SB-400 flash at the same time, you could not! If you wanted to use both the ST-E4 and 270EX flash at the same time, you could not!


Here it is, compared to my Sunpak PF20XD for size. Longer, thinner, just as wide.

There are only 3 switches on the F20AM - the DIRECT/BOUNCE switch, the TELE/WIDE switch and the ON/OFF switch (which is the swivel point.)

Setting the DIRECT/BOUNCE switch to DIRECT sets the flash to point forward, while BOUNCE points it up 75 degrees.

Setting the TELE/WIDE switch to TELE sets the flash zoom head to 35mm APS-C/50mm full-frame, while WIDE pulls a diffuser in front of the flash head, effectively making it 18mm APS-C/27mm full-frame.


Interestingly, and very cleverly, Sony designed it so that when you're in BOUNCE mode, and you set the TELE/WIDE switch to WIDE, the diffuser 'skips' past the flash zoom head so you cannot use BOUNCE and WIDE at the same time. In such a condition it would be the same as BOUNCE and TELE.

That said, you do not need to shoot BOUNCE and WIDE - when you bounce off a ceiling, the distance travelled makes the light spread out widely so it's already pretty much WIDE. If you use the wide panel diffuser on your other flashes while bouncing the flash off the ceiling, you are just wasting a lot of flash power!

And now, I can finally use my F58AM off-camera on my A900 - previously, I'd have to mount the F58AM on the A900 in order to trigger off-camera flashes! Thank you Sony for saving some wireless functionality for the A900!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote nathan_68 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 July 2009 at 22:49
Thank you for this very well made report! It's interesting to know how this flash works. Thanks again for your work!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andy B Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 02:04
Thanks for the report. One question I have is how well does bounce flash work with the F20AM given its relatively low guide number? Can one get adequate bounce flash coverage without resorting to high ISO? I normally use ISO 400 and shoot at f/4 to f/5.6 when using either my F42AM or my 5600HS(D) in bounce mode. Can this be done with the less powerful F20AM?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 04:47
The... or rather, my primary use for this flash, is split into three categories:

1) casual events / parties

I will not bring any other flash, just camera, standard or wide zoom and F20. I'd use high ISO and bright apertures anyway to get the ambient light of the party in. It is likely I will use DIRECT flash and blend in plenty of ambient light to reduce the harshness. So, power is not an issue for me.

2) paid events / parties

If I am covering an event and I am paid to take photos, I am obviously not going to use the F20! The F58 is the man for the job.

3) paid shoots with off-camera flash

I probably won't use the F20 as a front light (my Strobist style rarely calls for dead-on front light.)

According to the math, though:

F20 = 20 meters at 50mm ISO100 F1.0

So at F5.6 ISO400, the range at full 1/1 power, direct, is 40 meters / F5.6 = 7.14 meters. When bounced we divide it by 2 and get 3.57 meters. I think that's far enough for me, but I am not afraid to use ISO1600 so I get my 7.14 meters range.

I should be able to get an idea of its range hopefully this weekend. You can tell if the F20 fired full power; it does whirr like a F42.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ffrolvaag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 05:06
It does look like it will be nice to have the little extra power versus the built in flashes (a900 excluded for the obvious reason) and it is good to know that it will work with basically all bodies. I do wonder if the flash will allow one to use wireless control of off camera flashes in brighter lighting situations than the pop up flashes since it has more power.


Edited by ffrolvaag - 22 July 2009 at 05:07
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Post Options Post Options   Quote albnok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 05:11
That is a question I wish to address today when I meet people with Alphas with pop-up flashes. :) Also will try with the F58.

Edited by albnok - 22 July 2009 at 05:13
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ffrolvaag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 05:14
I very much look forward to your report.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SynJohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 06:50
Originally posted by ffrolvaag ffrolvaag wrote:

I very much look forward to your report.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mhohner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 07:31
Is there a way to change wireless channels? The old flashes had a small switch in the battery compartment for that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ivan Lee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 07:58
Thanks for you report!

I'd like to ask you something, about using this flash on the A700 for example, is it a improvement over the built-in flash?

thanks!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote wolfy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 08:10
Great report, looking forward to part 2
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegasus45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 08:45
Excellent report, the F20AM is next on my wish list.

I don't like carrying around the F58 all the time due to the bulk, a smaller flash will be very handy with the bonus of wireless trigger.

Thanks again for the report.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TallPaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2009 at 17:15
Great writeup, thanks Albnok.

Now if only you could buy these in the UK!
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