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Post Options Post Options   Quote ijsvogel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 09:20
at the PMA sony comes with three E-MOUNT camera`s

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Thanks Gustav.

Can you tell more about them?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ijsvogel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 10:07
what i have heard the AF still working with A-MOUNT lenses

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Post Options Post Options   Quote I Inspiron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 10:18
Hmmm... E-mount, interesting

working AF with A-mount lenses is a very good thing imo, but the real advantage of such a system would lie in compactness. Any news of planned lenses? [wishfulthinking]A CZ prime lineup like the Contax-system had would be awesome[/wishfulthinking]

Oh, and btw, do you know anything about the used sensor size?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pekka L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 10:24
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

at the PMA sony comes with three E-MOUNT camera`s
If Sony really does that, they better come out with a A700 successor (or something else very meaningfull in a-body line) at the same time.

Otherwise this would be seen as the death of alpha mount.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ijsvogel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 10:33
[QUOTE=Pekka L]if Sony really does that, they better come out with a A700 successor (or something else very meaningfull in a-body line) at the same time.

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i think it`s better to do it not at the same time .
the new A700 come`s , i now . only not at the PMA

but i agree it`s takes too long

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Originally posted by Pekka L Pekka L wrote:

Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

at the PMA sony comes with three E-MOUNT camera`s
If Sony really does that, they better come out with a A700 successor (or something else very meaningfull in a-body line) at the same time.

Otherwise this would be seen as the death of alpha mount.


How so? They just introduced the A450 - which admittedly isn't an A700 successor, but nevertheless... I really don't see how anyone could be afraid that Sony is going to abandon the A-mount in the short term (we of course never know what happens in the long term :-))

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 11:14
The commitment to A-mount remains with the introduction of new mid-range cameras and the presence of full-frame. If they have a micro 4/3rds style adapter that might explain the switch to SAM as it would be easier to AF these than lenses with a mechanical linkage.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pekka L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 15:15
Originally posted by Bob J Bob J wrote:

The commitment to A-mount remains with the introduction of new mid-range cameras and the presence of full-frame. If they have a micro 4/3rds style adapter that might explain the switch to SAM as it would be easier to AF these than lenses with a mechanical linkage.
OK, I might be too pessimistic. But I can not be only one who would question Sonys commitment to A mount if they now come forward with a new set of cameras with new mount without any advances in a mount side.

They have been very slow in evolving their line as we stand now. Nothing new has happened in regard of AF capability since A700, introduced 09/07. They did bring out cameras with live view in 01/08 and FF in 09/08. Since then there's very little evidence of them actually making any new technical development, apart from occasionally stripping of features and changing the sensor used.

Do we really have any chance of seeing the mythical super tele or other new lenses if they are at the same time building a whole new lens line?

Will they suddenly have commitment of advancing the capabilities of alpha camera line if they are at the same time trying to advance the market share of a whole new line of cameras?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gnn19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 15:35
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

at the PMA sony comes with three E-MOUNT camera`s

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i can hear people whining already

Edited by gnn19 - 14 February 2010 at 15:36
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 15:51
Originally posted by ijsvogel ijsvogel wrote:

at the PMA sony comes with three E-MOUNT camera`s

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Wow ! I can't wait to see what gets revealed. Thanks a bunch for the heads-up Gustav.
Alpha 9OO and a few other bits and pieces..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote roweraay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 16:11
Originally posted by I Inspiron I Inspiron wrote:

Hmmm... E-mount, interesting

working AF with A-mount lenses is a very good thing imo, but the real advantage of such a system would lie in compactness. Any news of planned lenses? [wishfulthinking]A CZ prime lineup like the Contax-system had would be awesome[/wishfulthinking]

Oh, and btw, do you know anything about the used sensor size?


Well, if/when such a new fully-electronic "EVIL" mount surfaces, you can be certain that new lenses for the mount will also be released.

Sony has recently extended their agreement with Carl Zeiss for another 5 more years and if I were to guess, it will result in several Full-frame primes for the Alpha mount (specifically covering the ultra-wide to normal region) AND brand-new lenses for such an "EVIL" mount.

Alpha 9OO and a few other bits and pieces..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote I Inspiron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2010 at 16:36
Originally posted by roweraay roweraay wrote:

Originally posted by I Inspiron I Inspiron wrote:

Hmmm... E-mount, interesting

working AF with A-mount lenses is a very good thing imo, but the real advantage of such a system would lie in compactness. Any news of planned lenses? [wishfulthinking]A CZ prime lineup like the Contax-system had would be awesome[/wishfulthinking]

Oh, and btw, do you know anything about the used sensor size?


Well, if/when such a new fully-electronic "EVIL" mount surfaces, you can be certain that new lenses for the mount will also be released.

Sony has recently extended their agreement with Carl Zeiss for another 5 more years and if I were to guess, it will result in several Full-frame primes for the Alpha mount (specifically covering the ultra-wide to normal region) AND brand-new lenses for such an "EVIL" mount.




Well, I agree with you completely about new lenses for the new mount. There would be no benefit in a new mirrorless design when you use the a-mount lenses with their long registration distance. What I meant was that I'm not so fond of the zoom lenses the other brands designed for their mirrorless cameras. Of course they are substantially smaller than lenses for DSLRs, but as I said I think the real strength lies in the primes. With those you could combine optical quality and brightness in an extremely compact design. Just like the Leica and Zeiss ZM lenses. They are amongst the best lenses ever produced, yet very small and compact.

I haven't heard of Sony extending the partnership with Zeiss even longer, these are indeed encouraging new. Hopefully in a few days we will know more
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I think this all sounds great. Very intriguing. It won't be a primary solution for me (I may actually love my a850 more than life itself), but, for a secondary system, this could replace my a200.

Currently, I only ever shoot with the 850, and my wife uses the a200. She's not as into photography as me, and recently expressed the desire for video, as we have a baby on the way.

So I've been seriously considering a Panasonic as a second camera, which would allow me to sell off the a200 and some lenses I have two versions of (50/1.7 + 50/1.4; sigma70-300 + 70-300G; 135/2.8 + 135/1.8), which I've been hesitant to do, because I want to allow my wife to shoot with whatever she wants no matter what I choose to shoot with.

BUT... BUT... If Sony came out with an EVIL camera and video, my problem would be solved! I could still sell off the a200 (or keep it as a museum piece) and keep or sell my doubled-up lenses, depending on what the EVIL mount had to offer in the way of lenses. The choice of second camera would become a total no-brainer.

In conclusion, I have to say, and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade of pessimism, but since I have entered the Sony world, almost 2 years ago, all their choices have been right for me. The a200 hooked me in with a great little starter camera that has EXCELLENT low-iso CCD image quality, in-body stabilization, a whole slew of old Minolta lenses to choose from, an incredible standard zoom in the 16-80... and then they come out with the 850 which, though not cheap, is still a cheap FF, the cheapest on the market, and therefore a very reasonable solution for the highly enthusiastic eternal amateur I am. Now, if they bring out EVIL, they allow for a very intriguing secondary system, the primary interest of which may well be video, something I am not interested in for my primary shooting, but is something "the rest of my family" wants. For this consumer, Sony's path has been faultless until now.

(And I really am sorry for sounding like a fanboy, it's just that it's true: Sony has given me exactly what I want.)
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