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douglasf13
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. A square sensor that is bigger than the image circle that you could crop out of. Granted, then people would just ask for bigger lenses with a bigger image circle to fit the whole square, and we'd be back to square one...no pun intended!
BTW, a square sensor inside the image circle certainly wouldn't be the least efficient option for everyone. I'd just keep the camera in square mode, myself. I can see square making a come back in photography, because we're all so used to staring at computer monitors and TVs all day that wide rectangles are becoming a little boring, IMO. Edited by douglasf13 - 04 April 2010 at 17:30 |
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Your square sensor could happen on very small format cameras (P&S) there making a square sensor with an edge length equal to the image circle would be wasteful, but not overly expensive since the sensor would be very small.
There will always be some people who like square images, but the vast population does not. So it's not a very marketable thing. There are things that can be done/added to cameras which only appeal to small amounts of users, but since they are minor things and in-expensive to add, they are fine to add (say the date stamp on the image). But something like sensor format is a fundamental system aspect, and very expensive. So the format is driven by the masses. This same issue is a hold back to 16:9 sensors too, since it's different. But the nature of things around (tvs, computers, video modes, etc) make it a path that very well will happen to some extent. Still, if 20 years from now we are still working with 3:2 sensors, no one would be shocked. I do think we will start to see the move away from 4:3 sensors in P&S in the coming years. Actually a bit surprised it hasn't all ready started. Also, just because a format is common, doesn't make it boring. We use formats for the ascetics/visual comfort. The reason for wider is because it's more natural and easier on the eyes. But still, we all have some images cropped to square just because it works from time to time. Making something different for the sake of being different rarely works. Creating the worlds first 5 wheel car with 3 wheel drive and a 7.5 cylinder engine could get you many firsts, and be very different, doesn't mean anyone will want it just because it's different. With luck, sensor manufacturing will change, and open up new options and solve all this. But for now, it's not that way. And of course there is always the issue of existing lenses. Most have baffles, so they only cover a rectangle. So you have an existing constraint in place. |
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douglasf13
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A square sensor that extended to the edge of the image circle would be marketable, because you could make any rectangle you wanted out of it. Cost would be the big issue, but I'd be willing to spend quite a lot for it.
Like a lot of photographers, I often have no preferred format. Although I shoot a lot of square, I also shoot 4:5, 3:2, 16:9, and other more random rectangle ratios, and a square sensor that reached the image circle sounds great to me. If square isn't an option for the manufacturers, I don't see the necessity of putting resources into something other than 3:2. |
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ijsvogel
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 11:25 |
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it will not be long , when this camera meets the press
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 19:01 |
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Gustav, it's always a delight to hear information like this from you.
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Great hearing from you Gustav. One question for you is, are we also going to see advanced EVIL bodies or are they going to be similar to the ones revealed during PMA ? |
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Alpha 9OO and a few other bits and pieces..
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thats great news. i just got rid of my epl1, so this is perfect timing. |
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18 april is the press-release of this camera , the camera shall be different , than we see at the PMA and maybe we get some more information , about some other thinks but that i dont now for sure greetings gustav |
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That's just one week away! Should be interesting to see some details.
Thanks again Gustav.
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Can't wait for 18th April to get here !
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Zeiss f0.7 is the fastest I can find. http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/sk/ac/len/page1.htm Edited by FineArt - 12 April 2010 at 01:02 |
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gustav dropped the bomb again
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The 18th is a Sunday. Are you sure about this? |
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I didn't mean it couldn't be made, rather that it was a step too far in terms of size, weight, cost and usefulness, but it seems it isn't...

