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Post Options Post Options   Quote QuietOC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2017 at 20:27
I tried out cameras today--the A68 and some Nikons. I used an old, low-end Canon DSLR at event on Sunday along with my A65, and decided I am done with the A65's dim EVF and awkward rear LCD. I am using the A5000 for most everything else these days.

Nikon has pretty much erased any advantage SLTs used to have--even without dual-pixel AF. Nikon's new AF-P lenses focus well in live-view especially with the touch screen. They are very fast using phase-detect. I don't understand the A68 at all--it is big, heavy, and slow with poor displays. The AF system in the A68 didn't seem as good--maybe this was due to the lenses. The D5500 is smaller than many mirrorless cameras--it is smaller than the micro Four-Thirds Panasonic G85.

Nikon is selling the D5500 with two AF-P lenses for the same price as the A68 body-only. The non-VR AF-P 70-300 F4.5-6.3 was fast. Sure, it would be nice to have the VR. It would be nice to be brighter. The FE 70-300 G OSS in probably better, but it is $1100.

I also tried the D500 too--not for me. They didn't have a D7200 or D7500 to try.

Edited by QuietOC - 15 June 2017 at 20:30
A65 30M 35 50 16-50 16-80 16-105 18-135 18-250 55-200 55-300
A5000 LA-EA1 16 20 16-50 18-55
Maxxum 70: 20 24 28 50 85 100M 135 28-135 35-70 35-105 35-200 70-210 75-300 100-200 100-300D
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2017 at 22:16
The D5500 is a lot of things, but it's not smaller than a G85.

The GH5, on the other hand, is actually pretty similar sized, except without a mirror box protrusion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2017 at 22:41
Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

The D5500 is a lot of things, but it's not smaller than a G85.

Apparently some dimensions are smaller - and it weighs a bit less. Not a huge difference either way.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2017 at 23:16
Originally posted by QuietOC QuietOC wrote:

Nikon is selling the D5500 with two AF-P lenses for the same price as the A68 body-only. The non-VR AF-P 70-300 F4.5-6.3 was fast. Sure, it would be nice to have the VR. It would be nice to be brighter. The FE 70-300 G OSS in probably better, but it is $1100.
Not quite...

For starters, the D5500 is hard to find in The Netherlands - you can find the D5300 for the same money as the A68 and the D5600 for a lot more.

At B&H the A68 with 18-55 is the same price as the D5500 with 18-55. I'm sure you can get a special deal somewhere - but not in The Netherlands.

Amazingly, the A68 is cheaper in The Netherlands then in the US

Worst thing, topic starter wanted full frame, not crop

Edit: I held some D5x00 cameras and I don't understand their size. I thought it too small and cramped (YMMF). The D3x00 being small makes sense, but I would want something more substantial a step up. If I want a small camera, I'll pick up an A6000.....

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Post Options Post Options   Quote kefkafloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 01:21
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

The D5500 is a lot of things, but it's not smaller than a G85.

Apparently some dimensions are smaller - and it weighs a bit less. Not a huge difference either way.


Duly noted, I was thinking it was the same size as the D5300 but it turns out it's significantly smaller, mostly by reducing the size of the grip and cutting out any left-shoulder space for a dial. It sure worked, it makes the a99ii (an already pretty compact body) look like a brick in comparison.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 08:21
Welcome!

Aps-c can be your next companion for 5 years too, if
a) you are not strongly for greather bockeh,
b) you are not wanting to shoot in very low light,
c) you have not aim to use old MF legasy lenses.

I have been digital aps-c user from 2006 and no regret, because a) b) c) are not so important for me.

I started with KM5D, then replaced it with a700. Mirrorless was my next step (NEX7) and now a6500. a6500 is on the expensive end but with IBIS. If to add better low light capability and quick enough AF, with 2 nice basic lenses SEL 24/1,8cz (from 2012) and SEL 18-105/4 G OSS PZ (from 2014, not expensive lens) I can do most I like. I have now some more - Samyang E12/2 (MF) and Sigma E60/2,8, both not expensive lenses, and I am equiped for every day use from the edge to the edge (engineering, familiy, travel, sports). With 4x and 10x magnification filters some nise close-ups can be done too. Light and small gear, less expensive, great enough image quality and handling.

Edited by Aavo - 16 June 2017 at 09:56
a6500 & some nice e-mount lenses
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 09:53
D5500 while lighter is not smaller than A7RII which is FF with IBIS!!

D5500 - 124 x 97 x 70 mm, volume = 0.84 L
A7RII - 126.9 x 95.7 x 60.3 mm, volume = 0.73 L

DSLRs and small shouldn't be used in same sentence (apart from may be SL1)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 09:59
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:


Edit: I held some D5x00 cameras and I don't understand their size. I thought it too small and cramped (YMMF). The D3x00 being small makes sense, but I would want something more substantial a step up. If I want a small camera, I'll pick up an A6000.....


Making existing products slightly smaller in Canon and Nikons way of trying to respond to the growing popularity of mirrorless - but without fully understanding what consumers actually like about mirrorless, and therefore not understanding that their products dont satisfy that need. For example, A7 type cameras are popular with some because of the ability to mount almost any lens. A Nikon SLR doesn't meet that need. Canon and particularly Nikon are flailing around "responding" with things that customers dont really want and then being surprised when they aren't successful.

I'm actually all for smaller SLR bodies as Digital made everything get bigger. A Dynax 7 film camera, an excellent and good handling camera, was considerably smaller and much lighter than an Alpha 700 which only had an APSC sensor, and the A900 was even bigger again. I'm happy to see some enthusiast and pro type cameras start to be reasonable sizes again.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2017 at 10:48
The Dynax 7 was a grand little camera, but once I got the Dynax 9, I only used the 7 for my lightweight needs. With heavy lenses, the Dynax 9 with the grip was just superb, it balanced like it was half the weight. I also felt it was so robust I could probably hammer nails in with it and it wouldn't blink an eyelid- I have read of one falling down a high concrete embankment onto rocks and being unscathed, and even of a reporter who used one for self-defence in a riot and it still worked fine afterwards.
Even with the A900 you really can't begin to say that.


Weight aside, I still think the 9 was the best film camera I have ever used by a mile.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2017 at 14:47
If about film era, Canon A-1 was my best SLR. The second I was using, was very simple Canon AF35M (full frame with 38mm F2,8 lens, auto metering and focus). It was lovely and I found more and more using this second one because of light weight and small size. Great digital mirrorless is something I was waiting lot and I am happy to have it now. a700 has been very big for me.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote PMac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2017 at 03:26
I was in a very similar situation a few years ago when my beloved A700 started to hiccup.

Thinking - as best as we can from outside - about the direction of the big makers for their cameras and mine as a photographer I've made the transition to e-mount and could barely be happier.

For me, one of the huge benefits of the e-mount is that in terms of functions and performance it kind of makes every other camera irrelevent - no matter what you want to do there's a camera for you at the very leading edge of performance. The old days of enviously watching canikon getting performance we wanted have gone (in fact the envy pretty much flows the other way).

(note necessarily true of body shape or lenses though).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2017 at 09:12
Originally posted by PMac PMac wrote:

I was in a very similar situation a few years ago when my beloved A700 started to hiccup.

Thinking - as best as we can from outside - about the direction of the big makers for their cameras and mine as a photographer I've made the transition to e-mount and could barely be happier.

For me, one of the huge benefits of the e-mount is that in terms of functions and performance it kind of makes every other camera irrelevent - no matter what you want to do there's a camera for you at the very leading edge of performance. The old days of enviously watching canikon getting performance we wanted have gone (in fact the envy pretty much flows the other way).

(note necessarily true of body shape or lenses though).


My last A mount camera was an A850, but I tried an A6000 and like you I found it could do so much, often better than the A850, and with image quality at least as good or possibly better. For my needs (travel, stage events, portraiture) E mount has been mostly excellent. My only comment would be that as ever with Sony it's difficult to get one body with every feature, and my only criticism is that perhaps the AF isn't quite as good as an SLR, but only in certain circumstances - but I'm happy to trade generally excellent accuracy for the constant issues of front or back focus with fast aperture lenses on SLRs, even with the cheapest E mount camera.

I appreciate some prefer the larger bodies of an SLR system, but functionally they have no benefit to me, and a number of distinct advantages.

Edited by artuk - 30 June 2017 at 10:17
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Post Options Post Options   Quote onsplekkie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 June 2017 at 20:55
Sounds like your a happy shooter for years with current lenses; the A99(II) is a good option that will easily grow on you
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Myself I've sold all A-mount gear with only one thing in mind. Minimum of weight & size. I carry my camera with only 1 lens with me everywhere I go. As my philosophy is: "the best camera is the one that you have with you!" E-mount is very good for this with prime lenses in fullframe in smaal package.

Just my 2 cents, happy shooting!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote niji Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 July 2017 at 12:42
I have a foot in both camps, an A850 with several lenses and an A7/55 combo for traveling light. One thing I have always desired is an AF solution that could focus on my kids on a playground swing. Would the A99II/24-70ZG1 and A7RII/24-70GM be relatively equal in this regard?
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