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    Posted: 16 August 2009 at 05:39
Hi all,

I'm planning to build a very small studio, maybe ini 3m x 3m room. There are several questions regarding this:

1. What is the best studio flash (or most widely used) brand?
2. Which one is cheaper: build it from scratch, or buy the kit?
3. What is modelling flash?
4. Is there any recommendation for $500 budget?

Thank you very much :)
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i have seen a post here about the older minolta 4000 flashes which seem to be freely available, are powerful, and very cheap. Providing you are prepared to set up your studio for manual exposure (which many do anyway, since its pretty static) this may be a good option. Someone mentioned like $30 each. You could get four of these, and a few umbrellas and stands, some light modifiers, and off you go! i did this with the minolta 5400's and it works like a charm and is very flexible. My wife's studio is around 4.5m x 3.5m Also go have a look at the strobist website - its also very illuminating (sorry, couldnt resist that )
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I heard people suggest against small flashes and go to studio flash with 600w or higher. Is that true?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pigi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 August 2009 at 09:56
Imho it depends what you want to do and how much money you have to spend. To start off, and learn to play with studio lights, the suggestion I made is a low budget and practical one.

The disadvantages are:
1. you need to charge batteries for a shoot or have spares or convert your setup to run off a powerpack
2. the recycle time for a flash can be up to 4-6 seconds, depending on what power setting you use. If you keep it down to 1/4 power, it is typically less than a second. Sometimes much less. Like 1/10 second.
3. for a BIG room, you may need a big flash such as 5400 or 5600 which gives good firepower. For a 3m x 3m studio, however, you do not need serious firepower imho. And space may be more important.
4. you may get a weird look from the "pro's".

the advantages are:
1. it is portable
2. it requires no ac power
3. it is cheap - you can easily expand
4. it doesnt require much space
5. you can easily locate them exactly where you want them - even overhead!

if you are experienced, and have a large multiple room studio, and are making money daily (your sole livelihood) off your shoots, go for studio lights by all means. In your 3mx3m studio, i doubt you would fit in more than a reflector and a softbox, however. And I'm not sure if you are using the studio regularly or occasionally. Else consider the flashgun option as well. You can also fit them into reflector and shoot-through umbrellas. I have had very good results with multiple HS5400's, with a stofen-type diffuser, placed inside a shoot-through umbrella. Very soft, diffuse light.

Maybe go rent someone's studio for a session, if you can, and get a feel for it yourself?

kind regards
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If you are going to setup a small studio (3m x 3m is pretty small), anything higher then 600w/s is going to be too powerful.

My current studio is about that size (maybe a bit longer). I am using 2 300w/s monoblock strobes and they hardly get above 1/16th of full power.

OK, but lets answer your questions first:

1 - How much do you want to spend? If you want to outlay some cash and want quality, try looking for Bowens or Elinchrom. There are also some other brands, but the names escape me.
If you want to go cheaper, there are plenty of generic equipment coming out of china. Their quality does vary though. I have to admit that I use chinese lights, but I buy from (hopefully) a known source that was recommended to me.
Just one thing, if you want to expand in the future and buy different reflectors, I would suggest getting lights that at least have a bowens s mount.
2 - Kits can be a good way to get the basic setup. The problem is they generally come with umbrellas, which I have found from my limited experience, not to be the easiest things to work with. If you do get a kit, make sure its got a reasonable soft box. Also check to see if the softbox has an internal diffuser as well
3 - I think you mean the modelling light. This is a lower powered continuous light that you can use to check the shadows prior to taking the shot
4 - $500? No idea. You need to shop around and see whats available for your local market.

Hope this helps a bit
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1. Elinchrom

2. Kit as you can save quite a bit than buying seperate

3. A bulb in the flash around 150w so you can see where your shadows are and position your flash heads accordingly

4. Search for some reviews, its the sort of ? you will get 100 different answers for

I can't reccomend this set but have seen very good reviews about the supplier and some of the other kits they sell

http://www.studio-flash.com/professional-lighting/elemental-ultra-g3-kit-complete-studio-kit-p-647.html

I think its the kit I am going to buy in the next week or so after doing a bit or research it seems to be best bang for buck to suit me.

Elinchrom is far to expensive unless your making a good living from your work.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hoffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 August 2009 at 11:22
The other thing that is quite helpful (which is a feature that is on the set described by willy above) is having infinite power adjustment, down to 1/32. I used someone elses lights a few weeks ago, which had only 3 levels and they were much harder to use.

The other thing to remember is how are you going to trigger them? If you have an A700 or A900, that's not a problem (as you have the PC sync port), but if you have any of the other camera's, you will need to get an adapter for the hot shoe. The onboard flash will not trigger this kind of light (well, they will, but they will be out of sync)

Edited by Hoffy - 16 August 2009 at 11:24
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Well I bought the kit I linked to above, ordered it Thursday they despatched Friday and it was at my local DHL office this morning so I gave them a call and arranged to go pick it up (wasn't due to be delivered until Monday)

3 boxes in total
1 box contained the background support kit in its own carry bag
1 box contained studio bag with 1 light stand 1 flash head 1 reflector for flash head power and sync cables modelling bulb and spare fuse and a 24" x 24" softbox in its own bag and complete with internal diffuser layer.
1 box contained studio bag with 2 light stands 2 flash heads 2 reflectors for the flash heads sync and power cables spare fuses 2 modelling bulbs 1 40" umbrella 1 90cm octagonal softbox with internal diffuser layer in its own bag 1 80cm 5 in 1 reflector in its own bag and a generic 8 channel radio trigger system in a plain white box.

I have to say I am very impressed with what you get for your money and the heads look to be very well made and good quality.

Unfortunately can't have a play yet as I omitted to buy a flash meter lol

I sourced a Sekonic L-358 on the bay last night and am picking it up tomorrow night so hopefully should be able to give it all a test on Monday
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@willy: Hi jet_set_willy, thanks for sharing! I'll be waiting for the result

@hoffy: I'm planning to use it from A700.

@piggy: Your solution seems good. I can afford two 5400xis cheap here. The question is: Can I trigger it wirelessly?

Err, by the way do I have to use cables? No wireless solution that retains Pre-Flash TTL protocol?

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hoge-fan, I have been really busy this weekend but finally got to have a play this evening.

I will try to post a review tomorrow when I have taken some pics of the kit, but for now here is a shot of my daughter using 2 of the lights and a reflector

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Originally posted by hoge-fan hoge-fan wrote:

Hi all,

I'm planning to build a very small studio, maybe ini 3m x 3m room. There are several questions regarding this:

1. What is the best studio flash (or most widely used) brand?
2. Which one is cheaper: build it from scratch, or buy the kit?
3. What is modelling flash?
4. Is there any recommendation for $500 budget?

Thank you very much :)


$500 can get you something, but it's sort of like looking for a dslr for $399. $500 is about the price of a SONY flash. Lighting kit is the same sort of investment as your lenses - in that
(a) a good one will outlive several dslr bodies, and
(b) will have a bigger impact on the results than the dslr body.
So budget accordingly.

A kit will tend to save you something and some come with a case of one sort or another to store or transport it. I am very impressed by the latest Elinchrom Ranger Quadra stuff. It is very up-to-date technologically (LED modelling lights, LiIon batteries, etc.) and designed so it has great mobility outside the studio (compact, weight saving, compact). Too many lesser kits have seem crusty and very dated in design and interface by comparison.

A modeling flash is a burst of a few low-power flashes per second, allowing you to preview the lighting effect with a naked eye. Most pro strobes have full-time modeling lights (LED or halogen etc) which are more convenient.
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That one shot alone has already paid for that set up if you ask me. If you never use it again it was well worth it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hoge-fan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2009 at 05:10
wow, magnificent work willy! Thanks for sharing! I think even non-elinchrom kit is worth it, no?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ffrolvaag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 August 2009 at 04:24
For $500 you can do a lot. Here is a setup I used recently with my cousin and daughter as the models. It is small and readily portable. Don't discount how inexpensive stands with adapters and umbrellas are on ebay. They can almost be had for a song compared to brick and mortar stores.

1 - set of Pocket Wizards - $300 (ouch, but worth it. If you go with ebay triggers subtract $250)
2 - Cheap umbrella stands w/mounting gear- $50
1 - 40" white reflector umbrella - $15
1 - 34" white shoot through umbrella - $10
2 - 5400xi flashes - $100
1 - iISO hotshoe slave - $20
2 - Home made Pocket Wizard Cables - $10
Total - $505 ($255 with ebay triggers)

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