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    Posted: 09 April 2007 at 10:46
Spent the last month putting this adapter through it's paces.

Mr Haoda was kind enough to send me a copy of his adapter.
I had the opportunity to compare with a Kalt/Rokunar/7000 generic adapter which I already owned.
These two were paired against images shot with the same MF lenses with AF mounts grafted onto them.

Conclusions:

Both are excellent in terms of sharpness.
Both can have problems with sensor flare in back lit situations.
Both have up to 1 EV light loss depending on the lens used.
Both have a "Crop Factor" of a little more than 1.2.

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More in the test Gallery.

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Thanks for sharing this, think many Dyxumers will find it helpful!
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Great test, thanks for sharing.

Seems that the 50mm is prone to give more purple center spot than other lenses with any of the adapters and so does my own findings with a MD 50/1.4, while the MD/MC 35/1.8, 28/2.8 and 20/2.8 has less or none.

Need to test some infinity shots tho as the few 1st I took are very unsharp esp. at the corners with the wider ones.

Still it works great for what I'm going to use the Haoda for.
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Pete,
In the test I ran, the Haoda converter, while not 1:1, produced somewhat less magnification then the generic converter. You seem to imply that both the generic and the Haoda offer the same magnification. Am I reading this correctly?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pete Ganzel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 02:29
Hi Keith:

I suppose there might be different "generic" adapters.
The generic (see the gallery) one I've had a while and was probably made around 1990, looks very similar to the Haoda and other adapters I've seen on-line.

The optics and coating as well as the machining and lens mounting appear identical in both adapters that I reviewed.

The difference in field of view from an un-adapted lens was actually measured.

For use with normal lenses for example, with the Haoda and the generic on a 45mm lens, the resultant field of view will be equivalent to a 55mm lens (1.222 factor) In a room, you will have to back up about 3 feet to take in the same frame area.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote KonicaA3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 03:06
Pete,
Here is what I am talking about.

50mm 5.6 AF



50mm 5.6 MD with Generic 7000/9000 Converter




50mm 5.6 MD with Haoda Converter




The camera was not moved and was on a tripod. Please note that while both converters showed change in field of view the Haoda showed less.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Pete Ganzel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 03:48
Don't know Keith.

What does your adapter look like?
Looks like there is a small difference between the Haoda and yours.

Like I said though, the crop factor is clearly 1.2+ with the Haoda over the lens with no adapter.

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Keith, there is NO difference in magnification between those last two shots above. The only difference is that the view is slightly shifted to the left in the bottom one.

By the way, do you remember this challenge?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Minolta/message/136656

I was right! ;)

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Hoada with 50/1.7 MD on the left, 50/1.7 AF on the right.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote polossatik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 10:11
I still think that "frisse erwtensoep" is a contradiction in terms...
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but that besides, i can conclude that it looks like Haoda's adaptor has no additional value/better features then a decent "old generic" adaptor and certainly not has a smaller crop factor.
And that you just might consider it because it's well tested by dyxum members and considerd rather "decent" ;)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Bob J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 11:50
Pete,

Do you note any difference in contrast when the lens is used wide open with the adapter, rather than when it is closed down? The plate pics suggest that there is a slight drop off in contrast... were these taken full open?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote KonicaA3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 April 2007 at 11:58
Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Keith, there is NO difference in magnification between those last two shots above. The only difference is that the view is slightly shifted to the left in the bottom one.

By the way, do you remember this challenge?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Minolta/message/136656

I was right! ;)


Yes, I do agree with Pete that the crop factor difference is minimal to non-existent, however, if you look at my original test on Dyxum you will find that on wide open, the Haoda had an advantage. I have questioned Haoda, he does respond and he does answer questons. My knowledge of the physics of a lens is insufficient to question what makes one different than the other, but I will pose the question to him for his response.

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Originally posted by KonicaA3 KonicaA3 wrote:

if you look at my original test on Dyxum you will find that on wide open, the Haoda had an advantage.


Sample variation. These are not particularly high-tech manufactured items, and so sample variation can be significant.
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Originally posted by BobJanesSE2 BobJanesSE2 wrote:

Pete,

Do you note any difference in contrast when the lens is used wide open with the adapter, rather than when it is closed down? The plate pics suggest that there is a slight drop off in contrast... were these taken full open?

Bob


Hi Bob:

The ones with the plate and barometer were all shot at f/8. The lack of contrast is sensor flare from very strong exterior light on either side of the wall. There is a test in the gallery with the charts on the wall and that was shot wide open at f/1.2. There is considerable light fall off from vignetting with the small elements these adapters have and the large rear element of the 58mm Rokkor as well as a general lack of contrast. This does improve with stopping down the lens. But if you look at the thumbnails of the bridge, you can just barely see an almost identical reduction of contrast in the center with both adapters and these were shot at f/8 with the Rokkor 45mm.

Pete

Edited by Pete Ganzel - 11 April 2007 at 02:06
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