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    Posted: 30 January 2012 at 15:34
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I'm personally of the opinion OVF is on its way out ... too many amazing things you can do with an EVF.
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I sincerely hope they work out the delays in electronic connections. OVF is still the only "real time" viewing solution, the importance of which is relative to the user task at hand.
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OVFs? I want my glasses made from them. Face recognition would be great. I'm useless at remembering names.
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EVF is not only about resolution. Current Sony EVF have enough resolution. You should care about delays, dynamic range, color accuracy, black outs and so on.
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Originally posted by crlowryjr crlowryjr wrote:

I'm personally of the opinion OVF is on its way out ...


I think you're maybe exaggerating a little.

Maybe it will join painting, viewcameras, rangefinders, film SLR's but as far as I can see none of these are "out" yet , and I'm not even sure of that in the short term.
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Well, in 10 years I think we will find that the OVF will be very rare, but probably not completely extinguished.

I think that the EVF resolution in SLT-A65/A77, NEX-7 and the external one for NEC-5N is good enough already. My eyes can't see any lines or pixels in these (which they are able to do in all other EVFs out there)...

The improvments I'm expecting to see is even faster refresh rates, a view closer to what the image sensor sees (although already much closer to this than the OVF, which of course is closer to what the eyes are seeing), including such as better dynamic range and colour rendition.


Edit: While I was writing, four of you were quicker...



Edited by Swede101 - 30 January 2012 at 16:26
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Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by crlowryjr crlowryjr wrote:

I'm personally of the opinion OVF is on its way out ...


I think you're maybe exaggerating a little.

Maybe it will join painting, viewcameras, rangefinders, film SLR's but as far as I can see none of these are "out" yet , and I'm not even sure of that in the short term.


Out ... does not necessarily mean extinct. As you point out, things exist for a very long time past their 'freshness date'. A quick sampling of Dyxum users shows many still using their Maxxum 5 and 7s.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote robertsmx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 January 2012 at 16:11
Originally posted by rovhazman rovhazman wrote:

EVF is not only about resolution. Current Sony EVF have enough resolution. You should care about delays, dynamic range, color accuracy, black outs and so on.

Considering that ultimately it is electronics that is not just delivering image to the VF but also capturing the image, I firmly believe that OVF will be obsolete in a few years.
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Meh...I will wait for the VF killer.
Originally posted by Brother Cavil Brother Cavil wrote:

No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.


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Originally posted by rovhazman rovhazman wrote:

EVF is not only about resolution. Current Sony EVF have enough resolution. You should care about delays, dynamic range, color accuracy, black outs and so on.


I Totally agree... the EVF on the a77 looks pretty good, but the delay for it to power on is unacceptable. I have missed many shots because it has not turned on in time.
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In 5 or 10 years time we will look back on the current EVFs (yes even the a77/Nex7 ones) and wonder how we could make do with such horrible images in the viewfinder.

For the time being I am sticking with a700, and EVF is one of the reasons (I am sure that given time it will be fine, and we will then be talking about whether an electronic shutter is better than a mechanical one)

However, if it is OK with you, that's OK with me as well

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What is the delay for a77 poweron?

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The A77 EVF is very nice but as several have pointed out it has pitfalls. In my eyes (pardon the pun) they are:

- startup delay (too long)
- lag between event and VF (already pretty small but on my brief test I thought it was behind)
- Issues in low light

I guess the hardest issue for the EVF is going to be how it copes at the extremes in the highlights and in the shadows throughout the frame; the areas our eyes compensate for through OVF.

Personally I agree the OVF is on it's way out but having written the paragraph above I think I just convinced myself it's further away than I thought when I started this post!

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Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

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Personally I agree the OVF is on it's way out but having written the paragraph above I think I just convinced myself it's further away than I thought when I started this post!


Really? :-)

Well, let us check your main points then.

Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

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- startup delay (too long)
- lag between event and VF (already pretty small but on my brief test I thought it was behind)
- Issues in low light
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1) I don't think it is going to take very long to decrease the startup delay.

2) This lag was substantially shortened from the A33/A55 EVF and to the A65/A77 and the NEX EVFs - the refresh rate increased by around 10 times within one year. This lag is short enough in most cases. After all, our threads are not filled with A33/A55 users complaining about their horrible EVF lag... Still, this much smaller lag may of course be a little too long in some cases. However, I don't think it would be impossible to improve this by another 2 or 3 times in a year or so. Will perhaps come when the new fullformat cameras are expected to show up (probably around Q4)?

3) Low light issues: OK, but to be fair we should also mention the issues with OVFs in that respect. When you can't identify whom you have in front of you with your OVF, you can with the EVF - even if it is noisy and with slow refresh rate.


Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

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I guess the hardest issue for the EVF is going to be how it copes at the extremes in the highlights and in the shadows throughout the frame; the areas our eyes compensate for through OVF.
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That may very well be so. However, it depends hugely on what you want. Do you want an EVF that looks like a good OVF? I doubt that will happen in my lifetime. Or do you want something that is closer to what the sensor sees than the current Sony EVFs? I'm sure that will happen.

I know which of these I'd want o future OVFs. :-)

And in order to continue to be fair - a list of what the OVFs are missing compared to what the EVFs are capable of, would be MUCH longer!


Edit: Spelling correction.



Edited by Swede101 - 31 January 2012 at 01:24
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