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I've watched too many films about nothing to want to watch another one, especially one intended to be about nothing. I like a film to be about *something*
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD: Calls to boycott Peter Rabbit Film amid Food Allergy Bullying Claims https://news.sky.com/story/calls-to-boycott-peter-rabbit-film-amid-food-allergy-bullying-claims-11247224

This when the UK has the highest obesity rates in western Europe and all the associated illnesses that follow, I struggle to find much sympathy for food allergy bullying concerns.

To put a positive spin on this, and perhaps move towards something positive, I did see this a couple of weeks ago, challenging the Change4Life campaign (which was IMO, really poorly thought out): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42889234

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I would imagine animal rights campaigners fully support this film though .
After years of Mr McGregor trying to kill Peter , like what happend to Peter's dad , and stick him in a pie it was clearly time to fight back .

I'm not sure they would have followed through in the film and showed Peter and his pals eating a kid pie though !

Hmmmmm , it's been ages since I've had a nice rabbit stew......
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Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

... when the UK has the highest obesity rates in western Europe and all the associated illnesses that follow, I struggle to find much sympathy for food allergy bullying concerns.

Food allergies can be deadly, so it's not a joke to those who are afflicted; but I don't see any connection with obesity except that it too can be deadly but is still joked about.

Lots of deadly things are routinely portrayed in movies and TV over and over: gunfire, bombs, reckless driving, drug use, sex (can transmit deadly diseases). My favorite is dropping anvils on top of antagonists (which is never actually deadly at all, at least in cartoons).
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:

Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

... when the UK has the highest obesity rates in western Europe and all the associated illnesses that follow, I struggle to find much sympathy for food allergy bullying concerns.

Food allergies can be deadly, so it's not a joke to those who are afflicted; but I don't see any connection with obesity except that it too can be deadly but is still joked about.

Lots of deadly things are routinely portrayed in movies and TV over and over: gunfire, bombs, reckless driving, drug use, sex (can transmit deadly diseases). My favourite is dropping anvils on top of antagonists (which is never actually deadly at all, at least in cartoons).

Yeah, I really miss those pre-1975 Tom and Jerry cartoons, where extreme order of magnitude violence was de rigueur. They were the best and highest quality cartoons ever produced and were the funniest to boot. They've since been so dumbed down and made so anodyne, becoming ersatz pulp to mollify the modern sensibilities of various pressure groups 'looking out' for our children's welfare.
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I don't really get the problem with a rabbit trying to get his own back on a would oppressor/murderer. What would be the outcry if Peter rabbit turned in to that rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail? If they ever met that Peter rabbit, I think these protesters would need to change their underwear!
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Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:


Yeah, I really miss those pre-1975 Tom and Jerry cartoons, where extreme order of magnitude violence was de rigueur. They were the best and highest quality cartoons ever produced and were the funniest to boot. They've since been so dumbed down and made so anodyne, becoming ersatz pulp to mollify the modern sensibilities of various pressure groups 'looking out' for our children's welfare.


Well said, Sir!
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Well, one tries.
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Originally posted by Miranda F Miranda F wrote:

Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:


Yeah, I really miss those pre-1975 Tom and Jerry cartoons, where extreme order of magnitude violence was de rigueur. They were the best and highest quality cartoons ever produced and were the funniest to boot. They've since been so dumbed down and made so anodyne, becoming ersatz pulp to mollify the modern sensibilities of various pressure groups 'looking out' for our children's welfare.


Well said, Sir!


On 1970's T.V , it wasn't Tom and Jerry you needed to be worried about having a bad effect on your kids , it was the real life T.V presenters you had to worry about !

Still , at least most of them have been rounded up and slung in prison or are already dead .


edit ; hang on a mo , are you saying that if I drop an ruddy great big anvil on yout head that a little bird doen't appear , a sudden lump on you bonce , but you can just shake it off and carry on running around ?????
My education was all from the cartoons , "Open University" was too booring !
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Originally posted by sybersitizen sybersitizen wrote:


Food allergies can be deadly, so it's not a joke to those who are afflicted; but I don't see any connection with obesity except that it too can be deadly but is still joked about.

Lots of deadly things are routinely portrayed in movies and TV over and over: gunfire, bombs, reckless driving, drug use, sex (can transmit deadly diseases). My favorite is dropping anvils on top of antagonists (which is never actually deadly at all, at least in cartoons).


Very fair and true. Over in the UK, there are some really big issues surrounding food production, diet, nutrition, medicine, so when I see anything remotely related to this that seems far from tackling the bigger issue, I can get a little bit of 'outrageititus'.

As my girlfriend rightly pointed out to me, there is the issue of how the character is overcoming it's problem/enemy - with an act of violence (and quite calculated, too). For which I do find uncomfortable - as it's obviously something for children/families to watch.

But it's true as well, how relevant it is to differentiate this over all the other possibly deadly or definitely deadly acts routinely portrayed in movies and TV.
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This subject came up many times in the 1970s and 1980s. I always felt (and still do), that the extreme violence in cartoons was not a serious issue ( ) because it was formulaic and divorced from relaity in an easily understood way. Plus traditional childrens tales had often been dark before Disney came along (just read the original tales on which some of the classics were based).

Although I greatly admired Mary WHitehouse for her stance on TV violence in that era (a battle she partly won with the 9pm watershed on British TV), I consider her worry was largely misplaced.

What I felt was far more insidious and corrupting was not the extreme violence which mostly upsets and sickens, but the normalisation of routine violence and verbal antagonism between individuals which dilutes one's sense of violence. To watch most of the 'soaps' you'd think people were always snapping at each other and being rude and conflicting, which is largely not the case in real life.
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Exactly right. Well said sir. Thou art a realist, that is, an acute observer of reality.
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Currently, we have an excellent debate going on in "what is the future of A mount". Well, by coincidence, a close and cross over article has appeared on DPR titled Why brand market share should matter to you. On reflection, it seems that much of what is said and the general thrust of the article could be applied to the A mount vs E mount polemic. For example, under Existing Commitments the article states that there is a notion that investments in equipment ties people to an existing system/brand. They posit that this notion is arguably erroneous. This could be applied to A mount vs E mount.

Another similarity is posited under the Further inertia section where: "To cause any significant amount of brand switching a camera would have to be compellingly better. And people have to recognize it." Well now, if this isn't exactly a significant reason for some of us to have held back from switching to E mount from A mount. It may be that perhaps some years from now, we could look back and say that this period of time, the time when the A9, A7R III and A7 III were released (perhaps also with the 100-400mm zoom), was the "game changer" moment for some of us because there is a strong impression that those three cameras have closed 'the gap' in advantages that A mount used to enjoy because it was a more mature system. I remember when E mount was dismissed because the AF was not "as good as A mount". There were a few other things as well but they escape me for the moment, but the effect was to hold back until E mount was at least as good A mount.

Well, that moment may have arrived. Some personal experiential preferences for one or other mount may still exist but from a personal point of view, there doesn't seem to be any more technological limitations preventing me from easily accepting E mount. That is with one possible caveat, I am unsure just how well an A7 III with that 100-400mm attached is going to feel in my hand. As I currently run either a Sig 100-300mm F4 or a Sig 70-200mm F2.8 on my A99, I get a nice grip and enough real-estate for me to comfortably hold such a large amount of weight. Would the E mount combo feel as nice or be OK to handle as the A99 combo, allowing for the A7 III smaller form factor? Or perhaps, a larger E mount body may yet appear with same or increased capabilities? In any event, I'd be happy to switch to E mount even now as I mentioned in the "what is the future of A mount" thread, I could run two mounts side by side until it becomes feasible to me, to have just one system. I accept that that time may never actually come (did someone mention "Godot"?).
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