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I am assuming the photos here were taken from raw. TO be honest, the Sony jpegs can give rather odd skin tones some times, depending on light (WB accuracy) and also the creative style used - the "portrait" profile is particular unappealing as it seems to accentuate pinks too much.


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Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I am assuming the photos here were taken from raw. TO be honest, the Sony jpegs can give rather odd skin tones some times, depending on light (WB accuracy) and also the creative style used - the "portrait" profile is particular unappealing as it seems to accentuate pinks too much.
The interesting thing is that in one of the video reviews of the A9 they showed pictures from the A9, Nikon D5 and Canon 1Dx in a blind test and I preferred the Sony ones the most. The Nikon ones seemed off (probably that yellow cast), the Canon's were better but often too warm (red, something) and the Sony's weren't flawless but suited my taste the best. I can't remember if it was from RAW, I only remember I chose the right cameramaker
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I am assuming the photos here were taken from raw. TO be honest, the Sony jpegs can give rather odd skin tones some times, depending on light (WB accuracy) and also the creative style used - the "portrait" profile is particular unappealing as it seems to accentuate pinks too much.
The interesting thing is that in one of the video reviews of the A9 they showed pictures from the A9, Nikon D5 and Canon 1Dx in a blind test and I preferred the Sony ones the most. The Nikon ones seemed off (probably that yellow cast), the Canon's were better but often too warm (red, something) and the Sony's weren't flawless but suited my taste the best. I can't remember if it was from RAW, I only remember I chose the right cameramaker
I saw that too but that was conducted in good light and I said I have no problem with that but once you start shooting indoor poor light this problems comes up I think it's a WB problem most likely
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Here is a quote from a review "The dynamic range of the image files appeared to be rather flexible, with most highlights and shadows recoverable up to 3 stops if not blown or crushed respectively. Although a curious anomaly did occur in the color balance on some image captures. For some reason, a handful of photos under the right circumstances resulted in an overly orange-magenta skin tone which I couldn't fix in post. At first I thought that I had done something in error. However, I've heard some chatter that this may be a technical issue involving the firmware. In any event, I desaturated those images to black and white."

He says a lot of good things about the A9 even says better AF than the 1DX2

Here's the link to the full review
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Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I am assuming the photos here were taken from raw. TO be honest, the Sony jpegs can give rather odd skin tones some times, depending on light (WB accuracy) and also the creative style used - the "portrait" profile is particular unappealing as it seems to accentuate pinks too much.
The interesting thing is that in one of the video reviews of the A9 they showed pictures from the A9, Nikon D5 and Canon 1Dx in a blind test and I preferred the Sony ones the most. The Nikon ones seemed off (probably that yellow cast), the Canon's were better but often too warm (red, something) and the Sony's weren't flawless but suited my taste the best. I can't remember if it was from RAW, I only remember I chose the right cameramaker


I think I saw the same review, and was surprised that I preferred the A9. Certainly, earlier cameras I owned sometimes (often?) didn't produce very nice skin tones in camera - WB was often an issue, and the creative style is very important (portrait was particularly hideous!).

I *think* they were camera jpegs - otherwise if processed from raw we were all comparing how Adobe chose to implement colour for 3 separate cameras, and given that that particular job often seems left to the office junior, is a bit of a waste of time ;-)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maewpa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 08:11
Doesn't sound like much to complain about really but I understand why you want manageable colour in those circumstances. I used to correct for this using an individual colour saturation preset in Lighroom before I adjusted WB. Was never consistently effective or ideal but it did help. Replace desaturation of yellow or orange with additional saturation of red and overall vibrance.... basically.

Glad to hear that the camera is a winner overall.
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It's a winner Pee, but it's always good to point out things that could be improved upon maybe someone's listening time-lapse I'm sure can be added by firmware
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There is a possibility to select 'Priority Set in AWB'.
Selecting the 'Ambience light' allows for manually tweaking the AWB.
However, even untweaked the color balance inside improves.
Downside is that you have change to 'normal' AWB when you get outside again.
That should help something.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aarif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 11:46
Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:

There is a possibility to select 'Priority Set in AWB'.
Selecting the 'Ambience light' allows for manually tweaking the AWB.
However, even untweaked the color balance inside improves.
Downside is that you have change to 'normal' AWB when you get outside again.
That should help something.


Thanks I have done that too
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 16:35
Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

It's a winner Pee, but it's always good to point out things that could be improved upon maybe someone's listening time-lapse I'm sure can be added by firmware


I was really surprised when someone here highlighted that the A9 doesn't support play memories apps. That is currently the way Sony adds features such as time laspse etc, and actually a few of the apps add real value - shame the A9 cannot currently use them.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 16:39
Originally posted by Dopol Dopol wrote:

There is a possibility to select 'Priority Set in AWB'.
Selecting the 'Ambience light' allows for manually tweaking the AWB.
However, even untweaked the color balance inside improves.
Downside is that you have change to 'normal' AWB when you get outside again.
That should help something.


Sorry, not having the camera, what does "priority set in AWB" do? How does it help indoors or with mixed lighting?

@aarif - this may sound a patronising question, but have you tried different raw development tools? SilkyPix, which I use and like very much, has a "skin tone" white balance feature, a tool to manage multiple light sources, and a selection of colour responses for things like portraits / skin. More than happy to run a raw file through it and pass back the result if you are interested. I never found Adobe particularly good, and having using SilkyPix for a few years now, going back to a development tool that doesn't give a selection of colour responses feels very limiting - manually adjusting colours is very time consuming and often a little "hit and miss".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 16:52
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I never found Adobe particularly good, and having using SilkyPix for a few years now, going back to a development tool that doesn't give a selection of colour responses feels very limiting -

Both (Adobe) Lightroom as well as C1 have improved over the years and have a wide selection of individual colour adjustment tools. Lightroom provodes 8 x 3 individual colour sliders adjusting hue, saturation and lightness. C1 is even more flexible, you can just pick any colour on the colour wheel and adjust to your liking with great flexibility. I've not used SilkyPix other then a 30 day trial many years ago so can't comment on it, but it's not the only raw developer that provides the flexibility to adjust targeted colours.

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Also I found vertical banding in a few shots not in very ISOs just normal conditions and personally think its from the electronic shutter but can't be sure.


it IS because of the electronic shutter. There was a local Sony event last Saturday, and I spoke to the rep, I asked him at what point would you NOT have the camera in electronic shutter... Using strobes/studio shoot was the first thing he said.

Just because it has the option doesn't mean you should always use it
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aarif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 18:04
Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:



Also I found vertical banding in a few shots not in very ISOs just normal conditions and personally think its from the electronic shutter but can't be sure.


it IS because of the electronic shutter. There was a local Sony event last Saturday, and I spoke to the rep, I asked him at what point would you NOT have the camera in electronic shutter... Using strobes/studio shoot was the first thing he said.

Just because it has the option doesn't mean you should always use it


Thank you for that but really without the electronic shutter it becomes a 1500$ camera 5 fps black-outs and a loud shutter. I will rather have a very few shots with banding then shooting with the mechanical shutter. the only time I did use the mechanical shutter when shooting in bulb mode which you can't do with the ES.
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