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Post Options Post Options   Quote sybersitizen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 19:04
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

Sorry, not having the camera, what does "priority set in AWB" do? How does it help indoors or with mixed lighting?

Read about it here, though that still leaves questions open.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 19:38
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:

I never found Adobe particularly good, and having using SilkyPix for a few years now, going back to a development tool that doesn't give a selection of colour responses feels very limiting -

Both (Adobe) Lightroom as well as C1 have improved over the years and have a wide selection of individual colour adjustment tools. Lightroom provodes 8 x 3 individual colour sliders adjusting hue, saturation and lightness. C1 is even more flexible, you can just pick any colour on the colour wheel and adjust to your liking with great flexibility. I've not used SilkyPix other then a 30 day trial many years ago so can't comment on it, but it's not the only raw developer that provides the flexibility to adjust targeted colours.


That's not what I meant - the sliders adjust the saturation and vibrance (not HSL) of the colour, but you only get 1 default Adobe interpretation of the colour data.

I know you can adjust individual colours within C1 and LR, but that was my later point - doing so is very time consuming and can be somewhat "trial and error" to adjust in a way that works, is pleasing etc.

SP has 22 colour presets that vary the way that the RGB pixel data is interpreted into colours, giving 22 possible "looks" without any further adjustment. Further control is then given by the ability to fine tune individual colours in a similar way to C1 or LR.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 19:57
Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:


SP has 22 colour presets that vary the way that the RGB pixel data is interpreted into colours, giving 22 possible "looks" without any further adjustment. Further control is then given by the ability to fine tune individual colours in a similar way to C1 or LR.
OK, I misunderstood what you meant but if that's what you mean for my A7 Lightroom has 9 of those "looks" (or profiles) by default and there's plenty more you can download from the internet. You can also create your own by using a standard colour checker or passport. Don't know about C1, never used a feature there to change the "look" by using different profiles.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote artuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 September 2017 at 20:25
Originally posted by pegelli pegelli wrote:

Originally posted by artuk artuk wrote:


SP has 22 colour presets that vary the way that the RGB pixel data is interpreted into colours, giving 22 possible "looks" without any further adjustment. Further control is then given by the ability to fine tune individual colours in a similar way to C1 or LR.
OK, I misunderstood what you meant but if that's what you mean for my A7 Lightroom has 9 of those "looks" (or profiles) by default and there's plenty more you can download from the internet. You can also create your own by using a standard colour checker or passport. Don't know about C1, never used a feature there to change the "look" by using different profiles.


I know - and you can create your own or download them for SP too.

I don't believe C1 allows you to customise or download colour settings, although you can select any of their simulations for any camera for your raw - so you can make a Sony file look like a Leica jpeg, or whatever you want.

Anyway, back to my original point - if Aarif used a different raw development tool, he would get a different interpretation of the colour in his file, rather than Adobes. If a tool such as SilkyPix was used, which has a skin colour white balance dropper, a correction for multiple light sources, and a range of interpretations for the colour data in his raw, then it could potentially be used to remove some of the issues he is concerned with.

It may be easy to always go to Adobe by default to look at files, but it doesn't mean it's the best interpretation of whats in them. They have certainly made a mess of the parameterisation of a number of other cameras, leading to less than ideal results, when other tools did it better.
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Personally I think that Sony need to bring out an A9R that has all the qualities of the A9 but with a 50Mp sensor.
To that I would add the ability to shoot RAW at 50mp and at two further reduced RAW settings, perhaps 25Mp and 12Mp. Then you would have a camera that incorporated all the possible needs of most photographers - a Nikon D850/Canon 5DSR killer.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote aarif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2017 at 17:03
Originally posted by Woodworth Woodworth wrote:

Personally I think that Sony need to bring out an A9R that has all the qualities of the A9 but with a 50Mp sensor.
To that I would add the ability to shoot RAW at 50mp and at two further reduced RAW settings, perhaps 25Mp and 12Mp. Then you would have a camera that incorporated all the possible needs of most photographers - a Nikon D850/Canon 5DSR killer.


It could kill it's own A7 series too
 



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I think that might be asking a lot. 20 fps with 50 megapixels.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote trainerKEN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2017 at 19:57
Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

I think that might be asking a lot. 20 fps with 50 megapixels.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2017 at 20:05
The Nikon D850 does 9fps and the A99 II does 11fps. 20fps might be stretching it, but 16fps just like the Canon 1Dx II should be possible and still be competetive.
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