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Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:



For many years i have had the joy to outperform my Canon friend with all his "fine" L-glass and canon-hype. Same shooting, same timing, same scenes.


In what sense did you outperform him ?

Even more curious why did it bring you joy ?

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Photo "quality" as fx. sharpness, colors, details .... He then beat me in AF speed, but not precision.
Don't get me wrong, Canon and others make great tools, but the flowers don't grow into heaven. Most often, the grass just seems more green at the other side of the fences.
And saying G is just better than L is meaningless.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zfcentral Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 08:46
In your opinion of course.

The hype is created by the user base, and Sony is by no means excluded.

Sony don't have a wealth of excellent G lenses, not compared to Canons and Nikons pro lens lineup. They do have a few gems but they don't cover the whole range from wide to super tele.

So what G lenses do you have that will outperform the Canon L ?



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I shoot with Canon, and I am in reverse thinking to switch to Sony for different reasons. I can give you some of my experience.

I use 5D I. I read many reviews before, the 1D II has way better focus system, but the noise is a bit worse than 5D. Also, it is 1.3x, not a FF sensor. I am not happy with my 5D AF-S, it misses quite a lot when my kid is running in the park. For the lens, I have 70-200 F2.8 IS I. It is a very very good lens. It is sharp wide open. I read many reviews, the Sony 70-200 is not as good, especially it is reported soft at 200mm F2.8.

For Sony, I have a NEX with LA-EA2 with translucent mirror. I think it may be comparable with your A55 in terms of AF. Initially, I thought the AF-S with translucent mirror will outperform my 5D because it can do continuous focusing, but it is not. The noise is definitely not as good with my 5D even though my 5D is very old camera, but it is still a FF. I use a CZ 24-70. In good lighting, it can produce very sharp pictures.

In terms of picture quality, my 5D is definitely better. So, I think it is very hard to compare A55 to 1D II. Despite 1D II is old, but it is a pro level camera where A55 is a consumer level camera. Like when I compare my NEX to 5D, 5D is definitely better. If you mainly shoot sport, I think the 1D II + Canon 70-200 F2.8 will out perform the Sony A55 + Sony 70-200G. Just for your reference, I am thinking to switch to Sony for other reasons:

- in body stabilization
- continuous focus in video
- Carl Zeiss lenses
- A DSLR + mirrorless combo (Canon doesn't have a mirrorless)
- I like Sony color better
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jkp1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 09:14
Originally posted by zfcentral zfcentral wrote:

In your opinion of course.

The hype is created by the user base, and Sony is by no means excluded.

Sony don't have a wealth of excellent G lenses, not compared to Canons and Nikons pro lens lineup. They do have a few gems but they don't cover the whole range from wide to super tele.

So what G lenses do you have that will outperform the Canon L ?





Not in my opinion only...but in the opinion of myself AND my friend. (and i am in 90 % of the cases not using G-lenses).
To your last question.....let us go a bit different.....are some of the non-L Canon lenses actually better than the similar L-variant ? From my point of view Hype is spelled with an "L".



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Post Options Post Options   Quote aarif Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 09:28
Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:

   


And definately not all L-lenses are better than - well average. [/QUOTE]

I did not say they are better

Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:


For many years i have had the joy to outperform my Canon friend with all his "fine" L-glass and canon-hype. Same shooting, same timing, same scenes.


that says a lot about you not the equipment well done

Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:


Aarif...i often wonder why you shoot Sony at all ? You often mention the others as better ? Why do you - when you have both - even bother to use anything less than what you feel is the best ?


Well that could be said for why do I shoot Nikon too :) but I don't need to sell my glass plus I don't want to part with them anyway so in order to use them I do need bodies. just imagine the scenario of me selling my gear and then Sony coming up with something exactly what I want.

You can get great results with all cameras it's only when it comes to particular types of photography that one does better than the other and in these cases I only choose the one better suited

right now I have a FF D3s and a 1.3 crop 1dmk4 and 1.5 crop Sony A77 A550 and km7D which I still shoot with from time to time. So they are not exactly the same

Also the Dyxum community is like family that I don't want to leave
so what's next Petax MF
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jkp1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 09:32
Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

   

Well that could be said for why do I shoot Nikon too :) but I don't need to sell my glass plus I don't want to part with them anyway so in order to use them I do need bodies. just imagine the scenario of me selling my gear and then Sony coming up with something exactly what I want.

You can get great results with all cameras it's only when it comes to particular types of photography that one does better than the other and in these cases I only choose the one better suited

right now I have a FF D3s and a 1.3 crop 1dmk4 and 1.5 crop Sony A77 A550 and km7D which I still shoot with from time to time. So they are not exactly the same

Also the Dyxum community is like family that I don't want to leave
so what's next Petax MF


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve4D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 December 2011 at 09:47
Ahhhh Yes!

The initials C and Z; Some say that these are more than enough of a good reason to come to Sony, and possibly the only reason needed to make one feel compelled to stay.

Let's just briefly roll out the new 24/2 for instance, and then of course there is the 135/1.8, which started it all that ruckus....

Then there is Sony's new 'STIG'; the NEX-7.....(if only we could get our hands on one)

Now we are talking some serious Sony hype talk!    
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Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:


To your last question.....let us go a bit different.....are some of the non-L Canon lenses actually better than the similar L-variant ? From my point of view Hype is spelled with an "L".



L is Canons designation for pro lenses, simple as that. In general they are certainly better then their budget counterparts.

I agree that there is a hype for L lenses, to the point that some take red tape on their lenses.

Nikon don't have a typical designation for their pro lenses, they are however easily spotted by the price tag as well as the myriads of letter acronyms describing the various technology and coatings..


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Originally posted by jkp1 jkp1 wrote:

Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

   

Well that could be said for why do I shoot Nikon too :) but I don't need to sell my glass plus I don't want to part with them anyway so in order to use them I do need bodies. just imagine the scenario of me selling my gear and then Sony coming up with something exactly what I want.

You can get great results with all cameras it's only when it comes to particular types of photography that one does better than the other and in these cases I only choose the one better suited

right now I have a FF D3s and a 1.3 crop 1dmk4 and 1.5 crop Sony A77 A550 and km7D which I still shoot with from time to time. So they are not exactly the same

Also the Dyxum community is like family that I don't want to leave
so what's next Petax MF


Well spoken :-)

+1

I have a sony and olympus that fulfil different roles. I'm watching sony, fuji and pentax with interest for my next body.
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Originally posted by zfcentral zfcentral wrote:


So what G lenses do you have that will outperform the Canon L ?


The 35/1.4. On objective tests, they show up as nearly tied -- pretty sharp in the center, but with extremely soft corners, especially wide open.

There's a pretty serious difference between them though: in the case of the Minolta/Sony nearly all of that "softness" is caused by curvature of field. If you re-focus for the corners vs. the center, the loss of resolution at the corners is actually quite small (around 20% in my testing).

I haven't used it nearly as much, so I don't know quite as much about it, but that does not seem to be the case with the Canon. It does have some field curvature, and does benefit a little from re-focusing for the corners. Nonetheless, even if you re-focus specifically for the corners, they have roughly half the resolution of the center.

On perfectly flat test targets, the Minolta/Sony shows up as barely better (or possibly even barely worse) -- but in the real world on three-dimensional targets, the Minolta/Sony is substantially better.

Though I don't personally own one, another obvious example would be the Sony 70-400G. Despite a more limited zoom range, the Canon 100-400L simply isn't as good. The Sony is pretty clearly better at essentially every focal length and aperture (well, okay, they're pretty much equally lousy at f/22 -- diffraction is an equal opportunity destroyer).

Edited by jcoffin - 30 December 2011 at 16:51
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Originally posted by trainerKEN trainerKEN wrote:

Originally posted by mambo mambo wrote:

there is no point in persuading you one way or the other. Good luck and best wishes.


^^^what he said


I second or third this... with all due respect, sounds perhaps like you have not investigated all reasons for your lack of success...again - with respect I ask you about your technique.... consider that also....Good luck with whatever you go with...
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Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

...You can get great results with all cameras it's only when it comes to particular types of photography that one does better than the other and in these cases I only choose the one better suited

right now I have a FF D3s and a 1.3 crop 1dmk4 and 1.5 crop Sony A77 A550 and km7D which I still shoot with from time to time. So they are not exactly the same


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I believe for general shooting scenarios ALL cameras on the market can deliver outstanding results. Nevertheless, when it comes to sport or low ISO shooting then I would say Canikon is for the time being ahead of the race.

I am always for two things: a) horses for courses: if you are shooting a lot of sports/ low light/ BIFs then I would look for the best tool and this might be one of the Canikons b)try it out if you need to switch brands. Switching brands does not only involve paying out quite a bit of money but it also involves a steep learning curve until you can get the best out of your new tool. So if you can, rent a camera or borrow one from your friends. One day is NOT enough IMHO you have to really spend some time with the new camera to see how you get on.

Lastly, the grass IMHO only seems to be greener on the other side. IMHO there is no perfect camera out there yet, or we would all have it In other words, I am sure (I shoot regularly with Canikons) that you will find the one or other thing over on the other side that you might not like...but then, at least in the areas of your interest Canikon might have a strength that Sony has not got...just yet.

Good luck with you decision.
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I find focus limiters, sich as those on the 2.8/200 and 2.8/70-200 make a significant difference to AF, so trying a lens with that facility may help, whatever mount you go for.

For fast motion: I find SSM on the 2.8 70-200 is not my fastest lens on locking to a first focus, that's the 2.8/200 and the 2.8/100SF. But once the lens is tracking motion, the SSM wins. It depends what you're doing most of. (And this is on both D7/D9 film and A900 digital.)

I prefer Sony colour, would just about settle for Nikon if I had to change, but have never liked Canon colour/tone(I'm a painter so by tone I mean contrast and greys) on any of their products, scanners, printers, anything. But then I prefer Kodak colour (portra, ektachrome) to almost all Fuji films, which in not normal in the photographic world. If you prefer your mates' shots it may simply be that you prefer Canon colour, in which case the A mount may never make you happy.

I hope you find what suits you. It must be frustrating wondering if it is your kit that's holding you up. In my case, with the stuff I have at the moment it's always me and not my gear that's suboptimal!
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