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Topic: Basic DSLR techniques - interactive coursePosted: 02 November 2007 at 06:57 |
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Basic DSLR techniques
Improve your DSLR skills by following a hands on course! ----------------------------------- INTRODUCTION Is this course suitable for me? You copy your images to your computer... Do you set about deleteing the ones that are too dark, too bright, blurred, harshly flashed? Yes? Then welcome aboard! Why do we think this is important? 1) Sometimes the only way you can create the image you want is by knowing some of the technicalities. 2) You are free to concentrate on your creativity if getting technically good images is second nature. How is this course different? Interactive. Your examples will be used in the guide, your questions can be answered. Hands on. Get your camera ready. Accessible. task will be clearly directed, email can be used to contribute. Community extensible. You will have the chance to make contributions that will help others. Differentiated. Ideas for extension work will be provided where possible. Progressive. Simple tasks will be used as building blocks to approach more difficult ideas and techniques. Due to the interactive nature of the course, you may want to bookmark this thread now and check back every day or so. Go on, I'll wait! Thanks. :) If something is not clear then it is my fault. Do not feel shy about asking questions or seeking clarification. If a particular setting is not mentioned, leave it as it is. Right, lets get started... ----------------------------------- PART 1 Aim: To be able to control the brightness of our images Objectives: 1) to find and evaluate exif data 2) to improve awareness of exposure settings when they take a photograph 3) to see how big a difference in brightness there can be within a simple everyday scene. 4) to practise using A, S and M modes. 5) understanding flashing shutter speed warnings 6) understand the 2 functions of the AEL button 7) use the AEL button in practical situations 8) expose a backlit portrait 9) shoot silhouettes TASK 1a (no matter how easy it seems, pick that camera up!): Outside should be daylight, your room lights should be off. Your flash should be OFF. 1) Set the camera to A mode (KM7D top right dial). Set the aperture to f8 using the front control wheel. 2) Take a shot out of the window, focusing on something outside and framing the shot so that the window frame / curtains are on the edges of the image. 3) Take a shot of the wall next to the window, include a fraction of the window on one side. -----------------------------------
We were comapring two images like the two below:
The basic exif data (see above) for the two images is as follows: Outside: ISO200, f8, 1/250s Inside: ISO200, f8, 1s (ONE SECOND!) So the only thing that changed in this example was the shutter speed. ISO, aperture used and shutter speed (or expose time if you prefer) are nearly always the three most important values to examine. 1) how many times brighter was it outside? The camera sensor recieved 250 times more light for the second shot. 250 times brighter outside would probably be an over estimate because the inside image is overexposed. Actually the outside is around 50 to 100 times brighter. 100times!! Wow. Ever turn on a light bulb in a sunlit room and not notice the difference? Our eyes adapt so well to different light levels its hard to realise how big the difference in brightness can be in different scenes. Top tip: if you want a photograph of a building with a blue sky, photograph the sunlit side of the building, not the shadow side. This greatly reduces the difference in brightness between building and sky and both can be well exposed at the same time. 2) how many "stops" brighter was it outside? One "stop" brighter means the brightness is doubled , (2 times brighter) Another stop increase (two stops) and we have doubled the brightness again (4 times brighter) Another stop increase (three stops) and we have doubled the brightness again (8 times brighter) Keep doubling and you find: Four stops more is 16 times brighter Five stops more is 32 times brighter Six stops more is 64 times brighter Seven stops more is 128 times brighter. So in our example it was approx 6 or 7 stops brighter outside. 3) why is the window frame in the first image so dark? It was dark! To my eyes it did not look 100 times darker than the grass outside but the camera recorded it as it was. 4) why is the second image so blurred? The shutter speed is too long to handhold. Looking at the exif data can tell us that this image suffers from camera movement rather than the image being out of focus. Use the exif data alongside the image to identify the cause of a problem. 5) why did my eyes see both curtains and the outside clearly at the same time? We have answer this pretty much already. The eye can cope with the approx 100:1 contrast ratio and the brain processes the image in a way that we see detail in bright and dark areas. (The camera can probably handle the scene also if we use the RAW data or of the camera employs a processing algorithm such as sony's DRO) sidenote: I find it fascinating that photographers are using HDR to capture scenes with huge contrast ratios and at the same time computer games and computer graphics cards are trying to simulate the LIMITATION of the eye using HDR rendering. This second set of examples were contributed (thanks Wilfried):
6) What shutter speed and aperture were used in the two shots? Outside: f8, 1/60s Inside: f4.5, 1/90s Same ISO for both. 7) Why do you think there was less difference in outside and "inside" brightness than in the first pair of images? This is a tricky one! The first example was a mildly sunny day. I am going to guess the second was on a cloudy day. Comparing the shutter speeds it was certainly brighter outside in the first example. The cloudy sky is likely to reflect more light back into the room and maybe there is some direct light from outside. 8) Why do you think the camera operator chose f4.5 for the second image? Accidentally a trick question. :) The answer is in the exif, the camera chose f4.5 and not the operator (you can see "program mode" was used rather than aperture priority as I had suggested) When taking the shot inside the camera prevented the shutter speed from being too slow by opening up the aperture. ---- Extension (advanced users): Both the shutter speed and aperture have changed in this example. Can you mathematically calculate the overall difference in the two exposures? Looking only at aperture we can say it must have been (8/4.5)^2 times brighter outside = 3.2 Looking only at shutter speed we would say it must have been (1/90)/(1/60) times brighter outside = 0.67 (or if you prefer 1.5x brighter INSIDE). Putting the two together 3.2 x 0.67 = 2.1 times brighter Or approx one stop brighter outside. (Values rounded to 2 significant figures) Can you confirm your answer using the advanced exif data? As nozzle pointed out the advanced exif shows that the answer of one stop apart (1EV) is reasonable. ---- ---------------------------- So far we should know: 1) That even the simplest scene can be difficult to expose because of large difference in brightnesses 2) That these differences can be hard to jugde "by eye" 3) How to read the exif data to find out what settings were used when the photograph was taken What I would like you to do now is very simple. Get a pencil and paper. Pick up the camera. Set Aperture Priority mode and fix the aperture at f8. Make sure the ISO is NOT on auto ISO. Set the ISO to 400 if in doubt. Look through the viewfinder and point the camera around the room, or even better try it outside. Watch closely as the shutter speed changes Which part of your room (or outside scene) is darkest? Which is brightest? write down where you pointed at and what the shutter speed was Does the shutter speed change is you keep the same direction and zoom in and out? Next, change the metering mode on the camera to spot metering. On the KM7D the metering mode has a dedicated dial and spot metering is the bottom option. Repeat the exercise and see if your new maximum and minimum shutter speeds are different. Is there now a greater sensitivity to the direction you point the camera? Does the shutter speed ever start to flash if you point the camera at something like a light bulb? Then post your experiences here! (thanks DennisP, well done) Even though this is a simple task its a large step towards thinking about getting a good exposure BEFORE taking the shot. What I hope you got from the exercise is: 1) a greater awareness of the basic viewfinder and how it changes as you compose in different ways 2) the idea that it might be worth finding more than more metered value to be able to pick the average value or a value that is suitable for the part of the scene that is most important. 3) that spot metering meters the very center of your scene and will be very sensitive to what you point it at 4) that evaluative metering is not foolproof, just a small change in direction can trigger a large change in the metered exposure value. You might also have found: 5) that zooming in narrows the size of the spot metered area (relative to the wider view before you zoomed in) 6) that the shutter speed will flash if the camera requires a shutter speed "faster" than the camera is capable of (faster than 1/4000s or 1/8000s depending on model) -------------------------------------
Please feel free to ask any questions about the tasks or subject matter covered so far.
Edited by Andrew - 17 November 2007 at 18:34 |
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brettania
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 07:14 |
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In PSP (all versions AFAIK) to get the Exif details, simply click on the "i" button in the commands line and you bring up a box showing the Exif details.
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brettania
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 07:51 |
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In Elements 3 the Exif can be obtained in the Metadata via the File Browser [ignore the red lines from the Vista "Snipping Tool"].
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noonespecial
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 19:39 |
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I'll give it a go:
1) how many times brighter was it outside? 2) how many "stops" brighter was it outside? 3) why is the window frame in the first image so dark? 4) why is the second image so blurred? 5) why did my eyes see both curtains and the outside clearly at the same time? 6) What shutter speed and aperture were used in the two shots? 7) Why do you think there was less difference in outside and "inside" brightness than in the first pair of images? 8) Why do you think the camera operator choose f4.5 for the second image? 1. I would say 4 times 2. Counting the stops 7? 3. Camera mesured mainly the light outside, this is backlight for the curtain inside 4. Long shuttertime, not possible to keep the camera fixed without help 5. Eyes have the possibility to coop with the whole range of light in this case, not the camera 6. First picture s: 1/60 A: 8.0 second picture s: 1/90 A: 4.5 7. In the first serie it was brighter outside then on the second serie and thus the differance between in and out was less, or there was more light inside. 8. Wild guess: the program in the camera wants to keep a shutterspeed that still allows shooting without blur and thus it changes the aperture I hope this makes sense ;-)) Wilfried edit: I had a closer look on the picture for question 4 and it is certainly not blurred because of moving. I believe it has to do with the aperture of the lens but do not know how to ewplain in E. Edited by noonespecial - 08 November 2007 at 18:48 |
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nozzle
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Posted: 05 November 2007 at 21:29 |
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Thanks Andrew for the extension
I´ll try my best. Exposures for the pictures are 1:f8 @ 1/60 sec 2:f4,5 @ 1/90 sec @ ISO 200 Exposure value (EV)for ISO 100 is calculated as
where N is the aperture and t is the exposure time so this would equal for pic 1: EV 4,6 2: EV 4,3 BUT the advanced EXIF info is showing an EV of 6 for the first pic and an EV of 5.12 for the sec. picture. So more or less 1 EV I guess me and my calculator are doing something wrong
I can´t remember when I last calculated "logs" Edited by nozzle - 05 November 2007 at 21:31 |
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MarkT
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 08:10 |
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Building on Wilfred's answer a little: 1) I'd say four as well. 2) I thought 4 times = 4 stops, so obviously I don't understand this like I thought! 3) The camera metered for the outside scene, DRO might have helped on an Alpha. 4) 5) I think I remember reading somewhere that the human eye can measure 12 stops, and digital sensors can do 6 or 7? Mark |
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DennisP
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 17:08 |
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I know I’m making this too complicated, but I’d rather participate than be right. LOL
1)how many times brighter was it outside? According to the EXIF data, the outside shot had a Brightness Value (Bv) of 6, whereas the inside shot had a Bv of 5.12. But after a lot of reading, I couldn’t determine if changes in Bv are linear (6 / 5.12 = 17% brighter) or non-linear. Before this course, I’d not even noticed Bv, so I’m not sure if Bv is even the right measure for brightness. 2) how many "stops" brighter was it outside? SHUTTER SPEED The outside shot was taken at 1/60 seconds versus the inside shot at 1/90 seconds. Since 1/90 seconds lets in less light than 1/60 seconds, the shutter speed of the inside shot was stopped down relative to the outside shutter speed. How much? Doubling the outside speed would give 1/120 seconds, which is one stop. The inside shot used 30 units (90-60) of the 60 (120-60) available, which is 50%, or half a stop. Question: should I have used 1/125s as the doubling of 1/60s, rather than 1/120s? APERTURE The outside shot used an aperture of f/8 versus the inside shot’s aperture of f/4.5. That means the outside shot used a smaller aperture, letting in less light, than the inside shot used. Therefore, the inside shot’s aperture went in the opposite direction of the shutter speed. The inside shot used a faster shutter speed (1/90s let in less light than 1/60s) but a wider aperture (f/4.5 let in more light than f/8) than the outside shot. The difference in apertures is (f/4 to f/5.6 is one stop, f/5.6 to f/8 is the second stop) so f/4.5 to f/8 is something less than two stops. The difference between f/5.6 and f/4 is 1.6 units. The shot was taken at f/4.5, which is 0.5 units less than f/4. Dividing 0.5 by 1.6, I get 31%. Call it a third. So the difference in apertures is 1 2/3rds stops. Putting them together, the inside shot was 1 2/3rds stops brighter aperture, but ? stop darker shutter speed, for a combined difference of 1 1/6 stops. Question: if going to a darker exposure is stopping ‘down’, why isn’t going brighter stopping ‘up’? 3) why is the window frame in the first image so dark? Judging from the second shot, the window frame had 0.88 units lower brightness than the outside portion of the shot, and would have required at least one more stop of exposure value to give it normal brightness. 4) why is the second image so blurred? The curtain is not blurred, because that’s where the camera was focused. But since the photographer chose to acquire more light (the 1 1/6 stops calculated above) by using a wide aperture of f/4.5, he reduced the depth of field that would be in focus to a narrow band. That narrow band wasn’t deep enough to include the swing set in the background. The photographer could have achieved the same exposure value with a narrower aperture, say f/22, that would have yielded a deeper field in focus, if he’d chosen a more sensitive ISO (risking noise) or a slower shutter speed (risking motion blur). 5) why did my eyes see both curtains and the outside clearly at the same time? I wonder if they did. I find I concentrate on either the outside or the inside, but that the speed of switching from one to the other is so fast that normally I’m not aware that I’ve changed focus. 6) What shutter speed and aperture were used in the two shots? Outside: 1/60s f/8 Inside: 1/90s f/4.5 7) Why do you think there was less difference in outside and "inside" brightness than in the first pair of images? 1. It looks like a dull day, which might diminish the outside brightness. 2. Even in the inside shot, the outside filled more than half the frame. So the outside brightness would still have registered in the inside shot, contributing to its overall brightness. 8) Why do you think the camera operator choose f4.5 for the second image? Artistically, f/4.5 would have drawn the viewer to the only part in focus, namely the curtains, since the shallow depth of field would render the rest of the shot out of focus. Technically, achieving the same exposure value through a slower shutter speed might have risked motion blur, and through a higher ISO might have created more noise. |
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Andrew
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Posted: 07 November 2007 at 20:05 |
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Dennis,
Questions 1-5 related to the first pair of images. (rather than the two images that were in close proximity - sorry, my fault entirely). I updated the post to try to make it clearer. Your answers are still good and make sense for the second set, it just made the questions harder to answer :) I like your answer to number 5, I was thinking about this the other day when I saw a completely white road sign that became a no entry sign when the sun wasn't reflected from it so directly. I this case I could see both at once, more later. Anyway, you ended up having a go at the tricky extension bit, trying to work out the difference in brightness in the second pair where shutter speed AND aperture varied. To answer your questions, 1/120 rather than 1/125 would be mathematically correct. You can say that you "open up" if you had your lens set to f8 and then change to f5.6. Thanks, Andrew |
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ahaveland
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 14:40 |
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Good timing with this cource: only had my camera for two weeks..
1) how many times brighter was it outside? 2) how many "stops" brighter was it outside? 3) why is the window frame in the first image so dark? 4) why is the second image so blurred? 5) why did my eyes see both curtains and the outside clearly at the same time? 6) What shutter speed and aperture were used in the two shots? 7) Why do you think there was less difference in outside and "inside" brightness than in the first pair of images? 8) Why do you think the camera operator choose f4.5 for the second image? Answers; A1) my guess is 8 A2) guessing on 8 times 3 equals 24 stops A3) Becauce the camera metering systems decide that outside brightness is used to calculate camera settings. And the 24 stops difference makes the indoor lights to appeare dark in comparison. Especially since the camera didnt use any Dynamic range optimization A4)probably due to vibrations during image recording (1" is long). May also be out of focus. A5)Becauce the human eye is adaptive, call it DRO if you like. But the bottom line is that our eyes is far superior any given camera ever. A6)inside: aperture F4.5 shutter 1/90; outside: Ap F8.0 shut 1/60 A7)The second pair had probably less light outside (cloudy) and stronger indoor lights. A8) To reduce motion blurring |
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DennisP
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 16:07 |
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STEP TWO
Repeat the exercise and see if your new maximum and minimum shutter speeds are different. Is there now a greater sensitivity to the direction you point the camera? Zooming in had a similar effect to spot metering in that the shutter speed generally went slower than when the camera was zoomed out and using matrix metering. I guess that’s because there’s less spillover of adjacent bright light when the meter is reading a smaller area. The brightest light in my office was out the window at1/320 second (= 0.003125”) and the darkest was 1.6” before spot metering, and 1.8” after spot metering. So the range of brightness would be (1.8’ / 0.003125” = ) 576 times. That surprises me becauses it’s an overcast day here in Mexico City and I seldom turn on the inside lights, so the whole scene appeared quite muted to me, with no stark contrasts. Now I discover the range of brightness is huge. Quite a surprise! I can't believe how much I've learned already in these two lessons. Thanks to Andrew et al for doing this for us. The metering choices on the A700 are on a ring dial around the AEL button just to the right of the viewfinder. The spot meter choice is the dark rectangle with a single white dot inside, the choice at the farthest right of the three rectangles. |
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Andrew
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Posted: 09 November 2007 at 22:52 |
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Very good answers for 4-8. Our eyes are indeed amazing. Your answer to 3 is also good except for the value of the number of stops difference. Interested to know where the "3" in 8 times 3 came from. I've updated the post now with answers. Basically one stop more light means twice as bright. Each further extra stop doubles it again. SO 4 stops more light is 16 times (2x2x2x2) more light. Thanks for participating. Edited by brettania - 10 November 2007 at 08:36 |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 14:06 |
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XP has an add in for Photo info (exif)
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/digitalphotography/prophoto/photoinfo.mspx |
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Posted: 18 November 2007 at 07:38 |
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I didn't know this officially kicked off, but it is a great start to the tutorial. Excellent job Andrew, and keep up the good work. Your time and effort is indeed appreciated.
Don't forget to remind the 'students' that some functions can be 'toggled' in the menu, and not necessarily 'held' for the functions to work. I was always a toggler myself.
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Posted: 18 November 2007 at 23:40 |
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To check exif under Mac OS X within iPhoto simply select the image in question and do a Get Info (via the Photo menu or using the command-I shortcut). Within Aperture simply select the image and then look at the metadata window (if the metadata window isn't open it can be opened via the Window menu or by using the keyboard shortcut cntrl-d)
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