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    Posted: 05 March 2010 at 18:20
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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxxum-g Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2010 at 18:57
Originally posted by a700eric

I have seen some incredible shots with this lens, but it seems to get mixed reviews.


Hey Eric, that's been discussed several times, bottomline; Reviewers tend to compare lenses on a few basic things, not those specifics what sets some gems like the 35g apart from the rest.

Just another recent discussion where i bumped in as well;
http://www.flickr.com/groups/729221@N20/discuss/72157623284874007/
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Post Options Post Options   Quote steem21 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2010 at 20:02
Originally posted by jerome


Not only your shots. I have been toying with the idea of buying a f/1.4 wide angle for some time. 35mm is not my preferred angle of view, but very fast wide angles give a unique picture style. Fast telephotos as well, but one sees that style everywhere, it is the combination of limited depth of field and wide angle perspective which is uncommon. That, and the particular contrast rendition given by these lenses (which is actually the result of spherical aberration, which is very difficult to correct for fast wide angle lenses).

I am convinced that this combination is most of the secret behind the "Leica look". Leica M users use mainly fast wide angles, and Leica is one of the few makers catering for that need (with a incredible choice of 21!, 24 and 35 f/1.4... at a price, unfortunately). Canon has a 24mm f/1.4 which is stellar (used by astronomers with praise) and a 35mm f/1.4 which isn't better than the Minolta, Nikon (in AF) stopped producing the 28mm f/1.4 long ago (and it sells at collector's prices) and just issued a 24mm f/1.4. That, and Nikon did not have full frame DSLRs for a long time.

If I had to describe the special look I associate with these lenses, I would say it is a combination of a dreamy atmosphere and open space. I usually associate it with street photography and intimacy (keep in mind that street photography is about intimacy, actually).

In the end, the Minolta 35mm f/1.4 is one of the few available lenses to give that particular look. Personally, I would have preferred a 24mm f/1.4, but that lens won't be made.


I enjoy street photography very much but I found that the A900 was too obtrusive to carry around - hence my foray into Leica territory. I took delivery of the Leica 24/1.4 a few days ago to replace a 24/2.8. Like you say, the Leica look is isolation of your subject in their surroundings, and this 1.4 wide angle delivers (at a price of course)! I also find that, in the limited time that I've had with the lens, that it delivers in landscape photography - which wasn't the case with the 35G. However, this is probably in part due to the Leica not having an anti-aliasing filter.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jerome Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2010 at 21:28
The anti-aliasing is not it. The Leica is simply a better lens. It is 20 years younger and built without consideration for mirror flip space or price.

This being said, the Sony / Minolta 35mm f/1.4 will make very nice landscape pictures at f/5.6 on the A900. I don't think anyone would be able to tell the difference between this and what the M9 outputs in prints as large as one meter or more...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote common Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2010 at 22:10
Just got this Lens and having a play in a bar at the weekend - some awesome bokeh! just need to work on the autofocus

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dennismullen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2010 at 01:00
Originally posted by common

Just got this Lens and having a play in a bar at the weekend - some awesome bokeh! just need to work on the autofocus


Very nice!

Edited by dennismullen - 23 March 2010 at 22:30
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Post Options Post Options   Quote common Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2010 at 11:05
@ 1.4 - still looks pretty sharp to me

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Post Options Post Options   Quote AlphaMan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2010 at 11:44
I agree. My copy is sharp at 1.4.

That said, there is room for focusing errors at 1.4 and the slightly lower contrast can give the impression of softness to some.

The longer I have my 35/1.4G the more I love it. I have a very nice collection of glass, but I have to say that I like the 35/1.4 the most.

There is just "something" about it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dennismullen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2010 at 22:26
Originally posted by common

@ 1.4 - still looks pretty sharp to me


Great shot! Nice 3D look.

Cheers,

Edited by dennismullen - 23 March 2010 at 22:29
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jcoffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 11:52
Quite a few people have mentioned the poor reviews on the 35/1.4G. I think it's worth mentioning that in most cases, the statements about how poor it is, simply aren't supported by the tests. For example, about a year ago, LensTip.com did reviews of both the Sony 35/1.4G and the Canon 35/1.4L. The conclusion on the Canon said:

Can the advantages of this lens compensate the disadvantages? To tell you the truth, the advantages are significant – a fantastic, sometimes even record-breaking picture quality and a lens barrel fit for the most demanding atmospheric conditions. Something no professional can ignore.

The conclusion on the Sony was rather a contrast:

Taking into account the results of this test, I am surprised that Sony continues to produce this lens. It would be perhaps better if the lens was buried and forgotten with the late Minolta company. A new lens should be designed - a simpler, smaller and cheaper instrument with 2/35 parameters, which would please the whole crowd of small and big sensors owners. Let’s hope it will happen soon and with this hope we can end for now. The further description of Sony 1.4/35 performance, taking into account its exuberant price, would be like kicking an underdog…

From those, you'd think the Sony must have done a lot worse across the board in their tests, right? Graphing their results shows just a bit different story though:



Based on this, I'd have a hard time saying the Canon was really any better than the Sony at all. Wide open (what you're really paying for) the Sony is minutely worse at the center, and minutely better at the edges. As you stop down, the Canon gets better at the edges, but the Sony gets a *lot* better at the center.

Having owned one of these for close to 20 years now, I how no trouble at all in saying that a typical objective test won't show its real strengths. Even if we look only at the objective tests, however, it's clearly a lot better lens than the comments about it would suggest.

To avoid just spouting nonsense, I'll throw in a shot from the lens in question. I guess, to be entirely honest, mine is *not* a 35/1.4G -- it's old enough that it predates the "G" designation.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote jerome Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 18:20
Originally posted by jcoffin

Based on this, I'd have a hard time saying the Canon was really any better than the Sony at all.


It is not really possible to compare the two tests, because the 5D has a much lower resolution than the A900.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jcoffin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 18:36
Originally posted by jerome

It is not really possible to compare the two tests, because the 5D has a much lower resolution than the A900.


To justify the comments, the Sony lens should be so much worse that the difference in sensor resolution would be irrelevant. A higher resolution sensor can't produce a higher resolution image unless the lens resolves the detail to do so.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jerome Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2010 at 22:48
Indeed, the difference in comments does not appear to be justified by the difference in performance. But the difference in maximum center resolution around f/5.6 between the two lenses most probably essentially comes from the difference in sensor resolution.

This being said, I am a bit surprised that they found such a low edge resolution for the 35G. I will see how mine performs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote andrew_broadfoot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2010 at 00:03
Regardless the good or bad, the reason why I started this thread and ultimately bought this lens was because I like the bokeh this lens produces. In my mind there is no such thing as a perfect lens. If the C***n lens slightly edges out ours then by all means sell off all of your gear and by it. I won't lose any sleep over it. I am happy with mine and that is why "I love the 35/f1.4G"!

Edited by andrew_broadfoot - 17 May 2010 at 00:06
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