Sony's EVIL GUI revealed (a bit) in CP+

springtide wrote: But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF? ... Is this what other people are expecting?

No!

Just as with the m43, only m43 lenses make sense. I see no point in using an 85mm f1.4 with the EVIL. I simply do not see the point nor the balance.

What I do see is the death of APS-C DSLRs. Just like the death of Four Thirds. Just as with Four Thirds, I do not expect old lenses to work on new mounts. Plenty of Four Third lenses do not work properly on the Panasonic m43 bodies.

I expect a kit zoom (28-80) a kit tele zoom (70-300), and a kit ultra zoom (28-200). Probably a pancake normal angle or a bit wider, the one shown as a mock-up. I expect this to drain recurses from APS-C development. Most users, by far, will be buying these new lenses on these new bodies, not DSLRs, in a few years.

The pancake is the lens the enthusiasts will want. The success of the mount is pretty much defined by that lens when it comes to enthusiasts: Just as the CZ 24-70 did for alpha.

There is a wild card in all this, and that is the new DSLR alpha bodies. They appear to focus during filming, and how this is done is the big unknown. Sony do not have to make any sort of bridge between the old DSLR and contrast detect, but if they do, it is a huge surprise. That is not Sony, nor Minolta like. (Minolta MF not working on AF, and Minolta AF not working on Vectis). What that would bring is so hard to predict.

Frode

springtide wrote: I assume the Sony EVIL cameras will have a new lens mount? But I guess there will be an adapter for A-Mount to allow mounting SAM/SSM/?HSM? lenses with AF and other A-Mount lenses MF? In a similar way what was done with the 4/3 -> m4/3 cameras, as the lenses are designed with a specific distance from lens to sensor. Is this what other people are expecting?

yes... count me too in that list.
besides SSM, how will it be with a normal A mount? like CZ1680? I love that range in a700. I dont care if look akward.

douglasf13 wrote:    Maybe we'll have the choice

A choice? Hello .. it is sony
Joke aside, i don't think Sony will try to attract "traditionalist" here. If they wanted to attract as many P&S users to use their low end DSLR cameras, EVIL ones will be made will go even further here.

And unlike DSLR cameras i believe this approach is the right one (not a personal preference but rather an effort to see it from marketing point of view)

Hi,
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For me they look interesting but I think they have to improve quite a lot till I start thinking about buying them.

Considering the GF1 with 20mm lens sells for north of $1,000 I don't see even $600 happening!

The EP-L1 is $600 but is a budget model unlike this Sony Alpha with a touchscreen n so on!

My guess is hovering around the $800 mark at least.

I think sony will price at what ever is about 100 bucks less than the competition or attractive enough to get the job done at time of launch.

EVIL cameras are in-herently cheap to make. But the market demand is what keeps price up. Oly and Panny knew for sure they could bank some cash one their first EVILs (primarily the retro ones).

Of course there is some NRE that needs to be paid back, so higher prices help that.   And the touch screens and whole new GUI aren't cheap to develop.

I hope the control interface is fairly customizable. I can see it not being very one size fit all and give people issues. My big issues would be tactile feedback. If aperture is nothing but a slider, will with be driven nuts trying to get it where we want. Hopefully there will be up/down buttons at the ends of the slider.

There is a very real chance they go too flashy/iPhone ish on the interface.

we need to start a price poll
I am trying not to overbid (Price is Right Showcase Showdown Strategy)