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Originally posted by cabinet guy cabinet guy wrote:

Sony also lent me the 70-200 GM e-mount and I still have my faithful 70-200 mk1 a-mount. So newer vs 10 year old. I'm a center point continues focus shooter.
I had the loaners for two weeks and tried many different settings.
I was able to catch action shots with the a100 back in the day.... Both these cameras are light years ahead so no problem using either.
How far Sony has come...and how much gear I've bought 😁


That's exactly what I thought!

The SAL70200G will have vastly inferior AF performance vs the GM because it lacks the new LSI to support 4D Focus on A99 II (as well as A77 II & A68). The SAL70200G2 boasts up to 4 times faster tracking.

If you want to see what A99 II is really capable of, you need to upgrade your glass!

A-mount glass which supports top AF speed on A99 II includes:
  1. Zeiss 16-35/2.8 ZA SSM II
  2. Zeiss 24-70/2.8 ZA SSM II
  3. Zeiss 50/1.4 ZA SSM
  4. Sony 70-200/2.8 G SSM II
  5. Sony 70-300/4.5-5.6 G SSM II
  6. Sony 70-400/4-5.6 G SSM II
  7. Sony 300/2.8 G SSM II
  8. Sony 500/4 G SSM

Also, the Zeiss 24/2 may not have the lastest LSI drivng the SSM, but it's also very fast and jaw-dropping sharp on A99 II.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote niji Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2017 at 22:04
Doh. I only have one of those, all this chat is making me want G2 variants. I have to agree from my limited experience, I noticed eye-AF on the ZA50 is far superior to any other lens in my kit.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 November 2017 at 23:35
I wonder if G1's could be updated to G2's as far as the electronics only?
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Originally posted by niji niji wrote:

Doh. I only have one of those, all this chat is making me want G2 variants. I have to agree from my limited experience, I noticed eye-AF on the ZA50 is far superior to any other lens in my kit.


They're 100% worth the upgrade IMHO!

You need the Mark II variants to take full advantage of the AF advancements found in A99 II / A77 II / A68 (remember, that 50/1.4 ZA SSM and the 500/4 G SSM use the same advancements found in the Mark II glass, so should be counted as such).

It's not just the AF enhancements (which also allow the Mark II glass to perform better on E-mount), but the way the updated coatings control flare & cut through haze is amazing!

All but the SAL70300G2 and SAL70400G2 are weather sealed, so for me the upgrade was a no-brainer!


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2017 at 16:15
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

I wonder if G1's could be updated to G2's as far as the electronics only?

I wonder that too, as I have the G1 70-200.
Anyone know?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Davey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2017 at 17:57
Originally posted by Eclipse Eclipse wrote:

Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

I wonder if G1's could be updated to G2's as far as the electronics only?

I wonder that too, as I have the G1 70-200.
Anyone know?


Even if it is possible, Sony's certainly not offering it as a upgrade option.

I say sell your Mark I on eBay and use that money towards the Mark II purchase.
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote stiuskr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 November 2017 at 23:03
I've thought of that occasionally since the G2 came out, I only paid $1100 new for my 70200G (Circuit City close out) and would probably break even or close enough but this one suits me just fine. I was just curious if an update would be possible, I knew it wasn't offered but remember the big Minolta primes getting HS updates.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 November 2017 at 19:32
If there was an update I'd like one, even if I had to pay for it, provided it wasn't too expensive. As my gear gets used out of doors a lot, I'd get less for my lens than its actual optical condition would be worth, so there would be no point selling it for a marginal gain and taking a big hit on the price.
My 70-200G1 focuses very well as it is, IMHO it's a bit more reliable in some ways than the 70-400G2. At its best the latter can be brilliant, but does also have a higher 'duds' rate than the former....though I'm still getting used to it- I have had it a while now but for several reasons haven't done much sustained work with it - and sporadic shooting doesn't teach me much, I forget what I did last time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Davey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2017 at 02:58
Originally posted by Aavo Aavo wrote:

Originally posted by Stuart1701 Stuart1701 wrote:

I think the best thing Sony can do for their A mount users, short of fully supporting it, is to enable seamless migration for A mount users to the E-mount.

Agree.


Sony already offers near native AF performance on A9 with LAEA3, albeit at 10 FPS.

The best thing Sony can do for A-mount photographers is what they're already doing: build the best A-mount bodies possible to maximize the potential of our glass.

The A99 II is an incredible tool, and arguably paved the way for Nikon D850 and Sony's own A7R III but offers features that one-up both those cameras.

We'll see an A77 III in the spring which is rumored to already be out in the field testing & said to be very fast.

The real breakthrough will be when Sony brings the A9-sensor with electronic shutter capability to A-mount. You'd have all the benefits of A9 paired with the benefit of dedicated PDAF and the time-tested ergonomics of A-mount.

THAT is the future of A-mount we should all be looking forward to, and 2020 isn't as far away as you think!

In the meantime, if you haven't purchased A99 II, I highly recommend you pick one up. It's been an incredible tool to work with the past year!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Faldrax Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2017 at 10:07
Originally posted by Davey Davey wrote:


Sony already offers near native AF performance on A9 with LAEA3, albeit at 10 FPS.


But only for SSM / SAM lenses - older screw drive lenses (or event the current 100 f/2.8 Macro, which is still screw drive) mean you need to use an LAE4

A new "LEA5", which was essentially a LEA3 + screw drive motor would resolve this (cheaper and simpler than an LEA4, with better all round compatibility!)


Originally posted by Davey Davey wrote:


In the meantime, if you haven't purchased A99 II, I highly recommend you pick one up. It's been an incredible tool to work with the past year!


I'd love to, but it's difficult to justify that level of spend in one hit.

With the best UK price currently GBP 2999, an A99II cost more than I have spent on ALL my previous camera bodies combined (New A200, New A700, 2x Second hand A900, New A6000)!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2017 at 14:52
I still want an A99ii, but I need to replace my compact, which means I will have to keep saving for even longer.

I am thinking of replacing my compact (an old Lumix) that is failing in a number of ways now and has been very dust prone, with a Sony HX90, so Sony may still get something out of it!

I don't want Sony 'helping me migrate to e-mount' If that gets to be the only option I'm offered, I will just leave Sony for Nikon.

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Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:

Originally posted by Davey Davey wrote:

Sony already offers near native AF performance on A9 with LAEA3, albeit at 10 FPS.
But only for SSM / SAM lenses - older screw drive lenses (or event the current 100 f/2.8 Macro, which is still screw drive) mean you need to use an LAE4
Although that is not that big problem, since if you need a macro lens for E mount, then there is also Sony FE 2.8/90 Macro G OSS. Sure, there is the 10 mm difference in focal length and it is not the cheapest lens (although not the most expensive either) and you obviously cannot use E mount lenses on A mount, but for many people these probably are not true deal-breakers.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Davey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 November 2017 at 17:59
Originally posted by Faldrax Faldrax wrote:


Originally posted by Davey Davey wrote:


In the meantime, if you haven't purchased A99 II, I highly recommend you pick one up. It's been an incredible tool to work with the past year!


I'd love to, but it's difficult to justify that level of spend in one hit.

With the best UK price currently GBP 2999, an A99II cost more than I have spent on ALL my previous camera bodies combined (New A200, New A700, 2x Second hand A900, New A6000)!

Well as the market continues to shrink, prices are going up, not down.

I expect the A77 III to be more in the $1,800 USD range (body) and A99 III to be closer to $4,000 USD (body).

You'll see used A99 II's pop up occasionally on eBay for $2,700 USD, but I don't suspect we'll see any more budget A-mounts again except for the very bottom end like the A68.
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Originally posted by Davey Davey wrote:


Well as the market continues to shrink, prices are going up, not down.

I expect the A77 III to be more in the $1,800 USD range (body) and A99 III to be closer to $4,000 USD (body).

You'll see used A99 II's pop up occasionally on eBay for $2,700 USD, but I don't suspect we'll see any more budget A-mounts again except for the very bottom end like the A68.


Totally agree. IF (big if) the A mount has a future as anything more than an unloved zombie product line I see it being treated as a boutique item that provides a specialist photographic 'experience'. Not unlike - though hopefully far cheaper - than the Leica M cameras.

This could provide Sony a way to keep a very low rate of production running for a very limited range of products almost indefinitely at a relatively low cost (or god forbid - even a small profit!).
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