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Originally posted by beautiophile beautiophile wrote:

Originally posted by mike77 mike77 wrote:


With that I mean:
- ability to use on-sensor PDAF covering 90+ percent of the frame

Here is what I guess.
A99(ii) has a dedicated AF sensor. Sony can make such sensor matching +90% image frame...
Historical APS-C dSLRs have caused so many messes.


Nikon's 153 focus point Advanced Multi-CAM 20K used in the D5/D850/D500 only covers about half of the APS-C frame, and that is the largest dedicated AF sensor array so far.

The historical popularity of the 135 film format continues to make digital photographers poorer for very little reason.

Edited by QuietOC - 13 March 2018 at 03:44
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Originally posted by mike77 mike77 wrote:

What is your opinion on the following question: will we be able to use our A-mount lenses a couple of years from now on the latest Sony cameras, say a camera equivalent to an A7iii?

With that I mean:
- ability to use on-sensor PDAF covering 90+ percent of the frame
- compatibility with screw-drive lenses

I could think of two approaches Sony may take:
- full-frame A99 style (but no SLT) camera with A7iii on-sensor PDAF technology
- or an adapter, say LA-EA5, with built-in motor driven by on-sensor PDAF

How likely is it going to happen?
I think Sony might want rather sell us brand new lenses rather than produce products that would help to use legacy optics as good deal of those were produced before Sony earned anything (except maybe some sensor sales) from ILC systems.

Last weekend there was the winter meeting of Finnish Nature Photographers' Association and the event included some promotions by camera manufacturers. Sony was present and their representative quite frankly noted that if one now wants to get ILC, the A mount system may not be a wise choice and that they had not brought any A mount equipment for testing. However, I think the camera that got most promotion this time was RX10 IV: one well-known Finnish nature photographer has started to use that camera and was so satisfied with now having one fairly light and small camera that does about everything that his earlier heavy Canon DSLR setup did. Week earlier at Kuva & Kamera exhibition, the Sony booth did offer little A mount love too: α99 II (which initially didn't have charged battery though) and few lenses, including 500mm f/4 G SSM, although there the E mount was clearly the star of the show.
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Originally posted by kefkafloyd kefkafloyd wrote:

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For most people the winning move is to keep your lens investment and just buy bodies as needed (hence why I bought a99ii). Buy a new lens when it introduces new capability that you didn't have before. Only upend your apple cart when it's clear your system is on its last legs or when you can get clear benefits for switching. If I was a Pentax user I would have bailed years ago.

If I were a landscape tog I would heavily consider switching for the 12-24. The 24-105 is a great general lens. The 85 f/1.8 is a perfect portrait lens for those who don't want the 85 f/1.4 lumps. If you like the 135 STF there's an AF version in the 100 STF.


Agree 100% with the first paragraph. And even the Pentax bit, I left Pentax for Minolta when DSLRs didn't exist!
I have found that comparing the 24-105 on my A900 to the output of the HX90 (mentioned favourably earlier in this thread)for landscape it's only when the A900 is in RAW (HX90 doesn't do RAW) that it really has the edge, and not if I need to zoom in a lot. Given the extra weight of the A900, I tend to take the HX90 hiking these days. My current 24-105 is not, I think, as good as my previous copy which I had from new, but in the absence of new ones, you're stuck with 2nd hand ones which may have had a hard life.
The HX90 is a grand thing for knockabout stuff like family shots indoors, and taking snaps of things you're taking to bits so you can put them together again. It copes indoors well without having to use flash and gets colours very accurate indeed- for 'in progress' snaps of paintings I'd pick it over the A900 for convenience, and whereas my previous Lumix was a bit iffy in colour for that job, the HX90 is pretty close to the accuracy of the A900. And has a VF, albeit an EVF.
The HX90 can't compete with the A900 combined with the 70-200/2.8G or the 70-400G2 when it comes to zoom but they're heavy for general hiking unless I expect to be taking wildlife. And given the price difference, that's not surprising.
In motion shots the A900 wins hands down by a mile in every respect, though, which is a big part of what I do, and I'm expecting the A99ii will knock spots off both - high ISO for the A900, and focusing at speed for the HX90.
Hopefully. When I can afford one.
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Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:

Originally posted by MKE2017 MKE2017 wrote:

The end is here. I have a SAL70400G2. The lens is only 3 years old and you can still buy it new.

My lens has a failed focus ring. This is the second time it has failed. I sent the lens to the Sony authorized repair facility, only to have it returned unrepaired. The parts needed for repair are no longer available from Sony.

Sony is not supporting their A-mount lenses. Don't buy a new one.

Unfortunately, I think he may be right - in "the A mount is dead, long live the E mount" frame of reference. I just visited the official Sony Australia website. I took a look at their current lenses available. The majority of the lenses there were E mount. The listed A mount lenses were few and seem to be short of what used to be the lower end stuff. Mainly Zeiss stuff was still around, but significantly the 70-400mm was gone. It is no more. So, Sony is killing A mount by a thousand cuts. There won't be an announcement that A mount is dead, there will just be nothing left of it on sale from any official Sony store. It would probably be safe to assume that when that day comes, A mount will cease to be an officially live product.

The announcement that A-mount was discontinued in Australia has been around one or two years ago. Apparently the situation in Europe (and Americas?) is somewhat better
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wow it took you guys a long time to comprehend that the A-mount is dead
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Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

wow it took you guys a long time to comprehend that the A-mount is dead

Don't know what you're talking about. It's alive, eager, and kicking butt at my house.
 



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Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

wow it took you guys a long time to comprehend that the A-mount is dead

Actually I disagree. If you say A-mount is a dog market I would agree. But the A-mount itself is alive and wil continue to work until the end of its technical lifetime. The question is then, if you have a lineup of A-mount lenses, what is your best option:
(a) buy a A7iii (24 mps) + LAEA-4 ( 2500)
(b) buy a A6500 (24 mps) + LAEA-4 ( 1700)
(c) buy a A77ii (24 mps) ( 1000)
(d) buy a A68 (24 mps) ( 450)
I am not saying all options are equal in all respects, but if you are low in money, option (d) remains very attractive for the short term, even if you anticipate to migrate to E-mount in the next 10-15 years.
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People keep throwing dirt on the Amount but it keeps rising to the surface.
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Originally posted by overeema overeema wrote:

Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

wow it took you guys a long time to comprehend that the A-mount is dead

Actually I disagree. If you say A-mount is a dog market I would agree. But the A-mount itself is alive and wil continue to work until the end of its technical lifetime. The question is then, if you have a lineup of A-mount lenses, what is your best option:
(a) buy a A7iii (24 mps) + LAEA-4 ( 2500)
(b) buy a A6500 (24 mps) + LAEA-4 ( 1700)
(c) buy a A77ii (24 mps) ( 1000)
(d) buy a A68 (24 mps) ( 450)
I am not saying all options are equal in all respects, but if you are low in money, option (d) remains very attractive for the short term, even if you anticipate to migrate to E-mount in the next 10-15 years.

I recently (11/17) bought the A68 after considering other options. The A68 is a very good deal. Maybe the A77II in late 2015 might have been a better deal.

Both of my local camera stores have A68 demos. The one where I bought my A58 three years ago still carries no E-mount.

I do see the A6000 often near the top of Amazon sales rankings amongst the worst Canon/Nikon bargain models. I believe the A58 did show up on that list during the sale when I bought mine. The A6000 costs less to make than the A58/A68 (and probably the Canon/Nikons) so I am sure Sony is happier to sell them in quantities.

Edited by QuietOC - 13 March 2018 at 18:14
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Originally posted by aarif aarif wrote:

dreaming is for free

If you have any real point to make beyond goofy comments and emojis, let's hear it. We know you personally moved to E-mount long ago, but that doesn't entitle you to drive-by snickering.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote whiteheat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 March 2018 at 19:58
Originally posted by overeema overeema wrote:

Originally posted by whiteheat whiteheat wrote:

Originally posted by MKE2017 MKE2017 wrote:

The end is here. I have a SAL70400G2. The lens is only 3 years old and you can still buy it new.

My lens has a failed focus ring. This is the second time it has failed. I sent the lens to the Sony authorized repair facility, only to have it returned unrepaired. The parts needed for repair are no longer available from Sony.

Sony is not supporting their A-mount lenses. Don't buy a new one.

Unfortunately, I think he may be right - in "the A mount is dead, long live the E mount" frame of reference. I just visited the official Sony Australia website. I took a look at their current lenses available. The majority of the lenses there were E mount. The listed A mount lenses were few and seem to be short of what used to be the lower end stuff. Mainly Zeiss stuff was still around, but significantly the 70-400mm was gone. It is no more. So, Sony is killing A mount by a thousand cuts. There won't be an announcement that A mount is dead, there will just be nothing left of it on sale from any official Sony store. It would probably be safe to assume that when that day comes, A mount will cease to be an officially live product.

The announcement that A-mount was discontinued in Australia has been around one or two years ago. Apparently the situation in Europe (and Americas?) is somewhat better

Reality is somewhat at odds with your claim. You can buy the A99II here if you want. However, the thrust of my musings was that those two "new" lenses had now gone and not just from here, they are no longer around in Europe (with one exception) and I couldn't find a single US stockist on ebay for either of these two lenses. The rest of A mount may be a different case.
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Claiming AMount is dead, is like claiming Peyton Manning or Kobe Bryant is dead. They may not be available any more, but they can still play the game at extreme high level.

In the decades of owning Minolta lenses, and decade of Sony AMount ownership, my return on investment is staggering, and will continue to grow exponentially now that there's literally no more stuff to get. And with only two failures in thirty years (Mino 600si and a900 after 165K), replacing anything will become cheaper and cheaper as time goes by.

Sony keeps emailing me to encourage joining the Pro Services. I'm approved and all I have to do is send the $100. And I almost did. But I think, why? The AMount never breaks. I've never needed service.

The biggest problem I've had with AMount recently was a terrible blow. I thought Minolta lenses were indestructible, but I recently found that untrue with the lousy 200/2.8 APO. I can't believe, after all this time, the "passed" inspection sticker finally fell off. I was heart broken. Now if Sony would fix that, I might spend the $100 clams to join. Otherwise I'll just sit and mope with my lousy AMount gear.
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The main thing about pro services is that you have a line that you can complain directly to people who know what they're talking about. You also get free invites to special events where you can do the same thing to people in person!

I wish I could have that so I could explain to them how to properly implement NFC wifi setup in PlayMemories mobile, as the addition of NFC to the iOS version was implemented in a two steps forward, one step back way. There are APIs to make it as easy as it is on Android that were also added in iOS 11. Sony just has to do it!
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