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Post Options Post Options   Quote jackal2008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2018 at 15:53
Originally posted by der dickgg der dickgg wrote:

Did anyone mentioned the A88?



Pricetag to be expected around $ 2400,-

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/32357-dreams-do-come-true-if-only-we-wish-hard-enough


Was this the rumor in 2013? or there's a new one?
 



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2018 at 16:18
So cool if they put it in an a900 body... Better yet, the original Maxxum 9000 manual wind body.
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the A88 image shows A88v which means GPS? we all know Sony dropped GPS in recent models.
so this A88 sounds like old rumor back in 2013.
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Originally posted by jackal2008 jackal2008 wrote:

the A88 image shows A88v which means GPS? we all know Sony dropped GPS in recent models.
so this A88 sounds like old rumor back in 2013.


I think the picture is based on the A99ii (it isn't quite ugly enough to be based on the A99II).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Eclipse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2018 at 20:09
I still love my Dynax 9. The best film body I have ever owned. 100% reliable and I bet you could hammer nails in with it and it would still function. Even the A900 feels flimsy in comparison. And I can't bring myself to part with it, even though I don't use it any more. I may play with some film again sometime- when I have the time.
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Iím late to this thread and havenít read it all but have a few things to say.

To GJK or whatever you screen name is exactly, your ramblings about A-mount ďSony just sell it!Ē are more absurd than I can put into words. Iíd have to dedicate multiple paragraphs, and itís simply not worth the effort. But one simple question comes to mind. If Sony would release a new line of DSLR, or even just a pro-grade flagship DSLR, and a lens or two, would that make you happy with A-mount again? Or are you just ate-up with E-mount excitement (hype)?

I personally think Sony made a great choice to bring something new (SLT) to market, but at the same time I feel it was a monumental mistake to stop producing DSLRís altogether.

Nikon recently announced a new mirroless camera system is forthcoming, with its own mount and accessories. But they made it clear that DSLR development and support will not be affected. Thatís what one would expect from an industry leader. Somy could have become a leader when they acquired Minolta, with a more serious effort. We all know what areas Sony failed. Advertising, new lens development, pro support, and so on. Itís a shame that only now with E-mount, Sony seems to be making a push to be recognized as industry leading, and even pioneering.

I personally am still content with my A580 (best cropped DSLR) and A900 (best FF).

Iím confident I would LOVE the A99ii. And at 42mp, why would I ever want more resolution? I could be happy with that trio (A99ii, A580, A900) for life. My Minolta lens collection, along with a few Sony Tamron and Sigma is enormous. And most any lens need or desire I would have can still be met with a new lens. People act like there are so many holes in A-mount lens options. What holes? Itís all there for the most part. If you are speaking more along the lines of not enough modern lenses to resolve 42mp, thatís more true, but still an exaggeration.

There has never been a real reason to jump ship, just perceived reasons. If some other system is more attractive to you, so be it. JUMP. But donít apply your preferences or ďlogicĒ to other people that use A-mount.

I prefer A over E straight away, simply for the ergonomics in my hands! Thatís a huge thing to overcome. Mirrorless in a DSLR body would be far more to my liking. Thereís really nothing drawing me to mirrorless. I have no collection of old glass to adapt, and no small fortune to invest in a new system! What would I gain from switching, that would justify such a radical move? What canít i do with my current gear? The only thing that interest me about mirrorless is converting one to infrared. Well that and extreme macro would be beneficial without a mirror. Dare I say it.... mirrorless is still gimmicky to me. Itís a mad rush to own the latest greatest.   Sometimes technology easily replaces something. For example cassettes and vhs were replaced by cd and dvd, and for good reasons. Easy decision to jump ship!   But in the case of DSLR (or SLT) vs mirrorless, itís really a matter of preference.

last but not least I say this. There is and will continue to be, a market for both.   And stop saying A-mount is doomed, let alone urging Sony to kill it!!!!!! 😡

Can I get an ďAmen brother Macronut!Ē?

Edited by macronut - 01 August 2018 at 16:58
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2018 at 21:47
Interesting times ahead, as we will soon see how Nikon will support their existing user base after they introduce the new Z mount. Clearly, for Nikon that is an even bigger disruption as it was for Sony, and due to the larger user base there is even higher pressure to protect Nikonians' investments in their gear. On top of that, I'd argue that for Nikon it is also an even bigger technological challenge due to the diversity of their lens lineup which they had since 1959.

Will we see a level of backwards compatibility that surpasses what Sony offers with its adapters? We will soon know. And in that case, as far as I am concerned, I will also expect Sony to catch up in that area.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote momech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2018 at 23:46
It will also be interesting to see if Nikon produces adapters for other system lenses for use with their mirrorless bodies. As in Sony/Minolta A mount, in particular.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2018 at 23:59
Originally posted by momech momech wrote:

It will also be interesting to see if Nikon produces adapters for other system lenses for use with their mirrorless bodies. As in Sony/Minolta A mount, in particular.


Surely Nikon won't. Surely others will. Surely for AMount as well, but not smart ones, and probably of poor quality like some of my EMount adapters. I have AMount adapter for Samsung NX-1, and it couldn't even trigger the cameras "shoot without lens" lever without a piece of tape to nudge the lever. The NX-1 doesn't offer menu option. It has a clunky lever to decide if an adapter is being used or not. Really dumb design on the smartest camera ever made. But the adapter does have an aperture control ring, just like some of the dumb A to E adapters. So it could be done for Nikon Z as well.

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There are a number of advantages that mirrorless provides to both the user and the manufacturer. I wouldnít be surprised if Nikon tries to slowly ween thier customers over to mirrorless. I donít think that was Sonyís initial goal but with the lack of a meaningful lens release or upgrade in a number of years I think that is were Sony has gone. I like a mount and actually think that the a99 ii is the second or third best overall camera on the market right now but yet gets so little recognition that you scarcely know it exists. If this same camera wore the canon logo it would have been dubbed the greatest camera ever. Just my two cents
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Aavo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2018 at 07:55
I remember statements expressed by Canon and Nikon, that mirrorless mirroless is history and never able to rise up to DSLR level. It would be nice to find these written texts again after lot of years and compare with novadays statements. But I think too, that Canon and Nikon will keep their DSLR users alive very carefully, and by the way they have seen, what Sony has done with Monilta users and what is the result.   
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

...think that the a99 ii is the second or third best overall camera on the market right now but yet gets so little recognition that you scarcely know it exists. If this same camera wore the canon logo it would have been dubbed the greatest camera ever. Just my two cents


That remains the problem. Sony was never able to crack 10% DSLR market share with A mount. Canon and Nikon's lock on that market was unbreakable. Sony had to try another way, or get out of the earnest camera business. That is how we got the disruptive technology of mirrorless E mount that is standing the DSLR market on its head. E is also why we still have A mount.

My short term hope is that Nikon and Canon will nudge Sony hard enough with their mirrorless cameras that we get an LA-EA5 so my screw drive lenses will work with the on sensor focusing in the new bodies. I'm holding out and am NOT planning to buy a new body(ies) until we get full backwards compatibility with A mount glass.

Next request is a Sony adapter that will auto focus MF glass, ala Techart, but for a wider range of focal lengths, using Sony E mount, and with full sensor support. Inexpensive E adapters would then let most lenses ever made auto focus on Sony bodies. That would be a profound deployment of disruptive technology to lure switchers, and it is trivial compared to much of the engineering we have seen Sony do in the last several years.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2018 at 09:30
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

...think that the a99 ii is the second or third best overall camera on the market right now but yet gets so little recognition that you scarcely know it exists. If this same camera wore the canon logo it would have been dubbed the greatest camera ever. Just my two cents


That remains the problem. Sony was never able to crack 10% DSLR market share with A mount. Canon and Nikon's lock on that market was unbreakable. Sony had to try another way, or get out of the earnest camera business. That is how we got the disruptive technology of mirrorless E mount that is standing the DSLR market on its head. E is also why we still have A mount.


The thing you must remember is that Sony are essentially an electronics company with optical skills, not an old-fashioned camera specialist. Their long-term aim has always been (I believe) to reduce the mechanical elements in the camera toward zero and replace them with electronics. Not only is this technical area Sony's strength, but it is also their (DSLR) competitor's weakness. But they know and knew then, that this would take time and need several cautious steps, for both tehnical and marketting reasons.

By this view, the SLT was an obvious first large step along the way to this aim, and their failre to break through Canikon's duopoly, though disappointing, was neither surprising nor especially damaging to Sony.

Mirrorless was the next large step. They are still 'leveraging' this innovation, but the third large step must surely be global shutter, eventually rendering the mechanical shutter obsolete.

So yes, Sony failed to make it big-time with the A-mount DSLR or DSLT. So what? This was never a rational expectation anyway, though it might have been a big disappointment to some of the more enthusiastic marketting types. Sony major in sensors and are gradually turning the expensive precision mechanical nightmare of the DSLR into an expensive solid-state sensor in a cheap plastic case which can be mass-produced by Sony at huge profit, while a host of me-too optical manufacturers fill out the lens portfolio, with a few specialist (and very expensive) lenses from Sony and Sony/Zeiss to headline the system.

Looks like a win-win scenario for Sony to me. Sure there's no long-term future for A-mount. There isn't one for Nikon or Canon DSLRs either. All three will keep their ranges nominally open for the few (and getting fewer) who want them, but the market is moving increasingly quickly toward Mirrorless. When a few more of the well-known pros switch to mirrorless (any brand), the 'must have the best gear' non-pros and semi-pros will jump on the bandwagon and follow them to mirrorless and all three DSLR/DSLT ranges will die (or sit wasting away on long-term life support, maybe :-).

Edited by Miranda F - 02 August 2018 at 09:40
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Post Options Post Options   Quote C_N_RED_AGAIN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2018 at 10:45
Miranda f pretty much what I was trying to say but more succinctly. I do believe canon and nikons dslr days are numbered as well.
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