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I'm very happy with my α99ii and have no interest in changing from A-mount to E-mount (or another system). Nonetheless, a smaller 70-200 f/4 like other systems provide would be nice when I don't need the f/2.8. I think I can safely assume that Sony won't be producing a modern beercan.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark Twain Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2018 at 15:37
I think it is not problem for Sony to let the technological development von e-mount trickle down to a-mount and pop out a new camera every four years.

The biggest problem is lens availability. Sony does not show much desire to update lenses (bring SSM to 135/1.8 or 85/1.4, new 35/1.4 (ok, you can buy the Sigma), new 16mm fisheye, a 70-200/4 etc.) or release new lenses (for example a fast ultra wide or an affordable tele lens like 400/4 - ok, you can buy the excellent Mino 400/4.5 as well ). Third party developers have also stopped bringing new lenses to a-mount.
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Iíve been holding out for a new Fisheye for years. So that I can eiether buy the improved lens, or get a sweet deal on the discontinued lens. The Sony is essentially the same as the Minolta lens from 1986!!!   While it is a great lens in most respects, it is overdue for a redesign and not worth the cost of buying one.

Agreed on the 400/4.

There are no holes in the lineup persay. Minolta and the third parties have us covered. But that doesnít excuse Sony from updating old designs and releasing new lenses. Apparently they have never seen it as profitable? Look at the 500mm white beast. They released that thing. But they probably havenít seen much revenue. Itís too expensive for hobby shooters and there arenít enough pro A-mount users in the first place. I think a nice ultra wide lens would have made them more money.

Sony clearly must know that a huge part of A-mount popularity stems from the use of Minolta glass, bought on the used lens market. I have often wondered how that fact plays into their thought process.

One thing gives me hope. They released the a99ii. A camera like that deserves the best and newest lens technology. Some may even say it needs it. So it stands to reason that Sony will make lenses for it. But given their history, that is easy to doubt!!!

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F and Red, I think we're pretty much on the same page, and have been for quite awhile.

In addition to the global shutter, on sensor stabilization is the other big piece to be converted to electronics. All that mechanical stuff sloshing around in there for image stabilization is expensive to produce and MTBF is shorter than for electronics. Like the flapping mirror it is a mechanical engineering anachronism and an affront to self respecting EEs. Think how much simpler the body fabrication would be if that and the shutter were done on sensor. The sensor has to be larger to handle the logical offsets required for IS, but wafer real estate keeps getting cheaper, and silicon lithography is among Sony's fortes.

Also, moving focus to the body, ala Techart, would make Sony optically/mount agnostic thus furthering the evolution of cameras to Sony's vision of fully electronic devices. Zeiss did it that way on my old Contax RF, so it has an honorable precedent.   

We've come a long, long way from the Minolta 7000i, the i of which is what attracted me to Minolta almost 30 years ago. It has been quite a ride, and it is not over yet. EEs rock.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2018 at 17:20
Nope, electronic IS is impossible for stills, especially if you want five axis. Sorry. Mechanics still rule

Never say never, but some forms of image stabilization are very hard to do electronically. It works with video because it is less demanding on a Pixel level. Hence, mechanical engineering beats electronic engineering IMHO.
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Originally posted by C_N_RED_AGAIN C_N_RED_AGAIN wrote:

There are a number of advantages that mirrorless provides to both the user and the manufacturer. I wouldnít be surprised if Nikon tries to slowly ween thier customers over to mirrorless. I donít think that was Sonyís initial goal but with the lack of a meaningful lens release or upgrade in a number of years I think that is were Sony has gone. I like a mount and actually think that the a99 ii is the second or third best overall camera on the market right now but yet gets so little recognition that you scarcely know it exists. If this same camera wore the canon logo it would have been dubbed the greatest camera ever. Just my two cents

As I'm just getting to know the A99ii, I can only agree, except in that I can't compare it with other system bodies, but I can say that it is outstanding. It's a pity I always feel like I have to apologise when other photographers ask what I'm using because it isn't Canon or Nikon, but that's the 'atmosphere' out there, and has been since Minolta days.

I'm used to the A900, so I can't say what it would be like to change to the A99ii from another system for stills, but at least on video the A99ii can do very well even if you haven't a clue- I have never shot video (except tiny scraps on a compact a few times, mostly because I caught the button by accident) and this week I decided 'on the hoof' to give the video on the A99ii a run to see what happened. I hadn't read the manual on it, and know absolutely zero about it. I just crossed my fingers, switched it on, and took some cross-country horse stuff on whatever the default settings were. When I looked at it on my computer afterwards, I was astonished at how good it was, despite my incompetence.
 



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Well, for me there will be a future in A-mount, at least for the next couple of years. Just ordered an A99ii
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cliff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 01:17
Originally posted by addy landzaat addy landzaat wrote:

Nope, electronic IS is impossible for stills, especially if you want five axis. Sorry. Mechanics still rule

Never say never, but some forms of image stabilization are very hard to do electronically. It works with video because it is less demanding on a Pixel level. Hence, mechanical engineering beats electronic engineering IMHO.


Hi Addy, expect you're right for today. If electronic IS works for video now, the higher resolution required for stills is simply a matter of horsepower. With the 4:1 performance improvement we get in electronics roughly every 3 years it's just a question of when, not if IS succumbs to the blandishments of EEs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Atom Ant Oz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 04:41
Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

Well, for me there will be a future in A-mount, at least for the next couple of years. Just ordered an A99ii

I recently looked at other systems but I couldn't find anything that would satisfactorily replace my A-mount at a reasonable price, hence my five-week old α99ii.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Photosopher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 06:31
Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

If electronic IS works for video now, the higher resolution required for stills is simply a matter of horsepower.


To some degree, electronic IS is available for stills right now through Photoshop/Sharpen/Shake Reduction filter.
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Originally posted by Photosopher Photosopher wrote:

Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

If electronic IS works for video now, the higher resolution required for stills is simply a matter of horsepower.


To some degree, electronic IS is available for stills right now through Photoshop/Sharpen/Shake Reduction filter.


That's not the same as electronic IS.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote amsap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 09:42
Atom Ant Oz "I'm very happy with my α99ii and have no interest in changing from A-mount to E-mount (or another system)."

I feel the same and have an A7RII, the only problem is that I ended up with an inferior 500 which really tempers my happiness. But either way my purchasing days are over.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 11:57
Originally posted by nandbytes nandbytes wrote:

Originally posted by Photosopher Photosopher wrote:

Originally posted by Cliff Cliff wrote:

If electronic IS works for video now, the higher resolution required for stills is simply a matter of horsepower.


To some degree, electronic IS is available for stills right now through Photoshop/Sharpen/Shake Reduction filter.


That's not the same as electronic IS.
I guess that is why Potosopher said "to some degree"

I cannot find defenitive proof, but I doubt it is without loss in resolution. But then, so do a lot of other in camera adjustments and people are OK with those.

There needs to be a lot of computer power to get this in real time and at, say, four stops. But probably, at some time, it will be possible.
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Originally posted by Atom Ant Oz Atom Ant Oz wrote:


I recently looked at other systems but I couldn't find anything that would satisfactorily replace my A-mount at a reasonable price, hence my five-week old α99ii.


Got to ask, where did you get yours from? Currently looking at pulling the trigger on one but Sony's are like hens teeth here downunder
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