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What should I get next? A99ii or A7sII

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    Posted: 18 April 2017 at 11:43
It's been a while since I have posted on Dyxum. Family and work commitments have left me little time to participate in the last few years. However, I have a quandary that I felt the best place to seek advice for would be here.

My fundamental question is should I continue with A-mount bodies or move to E-mount?

I currently own an A77, A77ii and A99 as well as multiple A-mount film bodies such as a couple of Dynax 7s, 800si and 8000i that I still use. I have an extensive collection of A-mount lenses including Minolta G and Sigma EX lenses.

I am looking to upgrade my A99. It's a great camera but I find its narrow AF area particularly limiting. I'm also concerned about Sony's long-term support for A-mount. I am considering the A99ii or A7sII with an A-mount adapter. How does the AF compare on both these bodies with A-mount lenses?

I'd be grateful to hear other members opinions.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 13:06
I don't think you need be worried about Sony support for A-mount.
Firstly there is a large range of A-mount lenses and bodies available, and given your collection it is clear you are not averse to cherishing and using models no longer produced .

Secondly, according to reports, Sony is one of the few manufacturers making any money out of FF IL cameras. Yes, they have pushed a lot of R&D money into mirrorless and this is their main growth engine, but they have shown themselves willing to continue updating A-mount cameras with new technology developed for E-mount (and vice versa), and despite the many web posts suggesting A-mount is dead there is no evidence Sony are about to drop it. Why would they? They've put Nikon and Canon in trouble, they've already achieved their stated aim to put Sony in the top two FF ILC in the US, and they're solidly based in sensor technology.

On your central question of whether you should 'move to' e-mount, I would suggest that you don't have to make a sudden switch at all. Research the models and if the benefits sound appealing to you and the debits are acceptable, pick a model carefully and buy one (not necessarily the one you most want, but one you can try without mortgaging your house ...). After you've used it for a while, you will know whether you want to move wholeheartedly to A mount or not.

What I *wouldn't* recommend is to do what I have seen some photographers do, which is to sell your A-mount stuff off in one go to switch and leave yourself with no easy way back if/when you decide it was a mistake.

For me personally, I have tried an A7 in a portrait studio and liked the experience very much; but I don't do portraiture very much and outside of this I don't feel that either E-mount or FF offer many real benefits for my style of photography. Though if you habitually need or like a narrow DOF your view will probably be different!

I also think the supposed benefits of E-mount FF over A-mount FF are largely illusory and currently outweighed by the debits, but I may well be in a minority here ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Anita Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 13:23
I don't think either, otherwise this new A99ii would not have come out.

My hubby thought I would regret a swop, and didn't want me to sell the amount stuff. I went for the emount anyway and ended up selling most of my amount stuff, as I never touched it again. It is just too heavy and with my kind of photography emount works just fine.

I am not too keen on the adapter though, but I guess that is me and might not be the case for a lot of other people. I do think though that it makes the emount unnecessary heavy and why add a mirror to a system that is mirrorless.

Although I have an A7ii with a very nice lens line-up, I find myself using my NEX6 with kitlens most of the time.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 13:25
The big benefit of E-mount (for me) is adaption of any old MF lens due to the short registration distance.

But adaption of AF A-mount lenses is clunky and for sure not the latest/best AF technology. If I'm not mistaken the LA-EA4 uses the AF module of the A65. So if you think your A99 is need of an AF upgrade the A7Sii + LA-EA4 isn't going to give that to you.

On the other hand the A99ii AF rocks (better then the A77ii) and given your large stable of A-mount lenses I'd go with the A99ii and not the A7Sii
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SChurchill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 13:44
Thanks for your comments.

I was never intending to get rid of may A-mount lenses or bodies, just contemplating moving into e-mount as well. I am extremely bad a letting go of camera equipment, that is why still use six different systems: A-mount, Minolta SR, Canon FD, Pentacon 6, Pentax 645 and Mamiya 67. Oh, and an RX100.

I can see the benefit of E-mount for use with my SR and FD lenses, but probably not enough to warrant the expense without an improvement in AF performance. So it looks like the A99ii will be my next purchase.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rssweetman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 13:49
Both of the cameras you highlighted in the title bar are current Sony flagships (for different reasons, purposes).

Wouldn't it be provident to rent them both and compare/contrast?

Whilst Sony rental options are more limited than CaNikon in the UK - and Jessops pulled out their rental option 2 days before I intended to rent from them for the first time :( - you should still be easily able to obtain either/both and for a reasonable cost determine the best options for you, directly?

The rental cost for either/both must pale into comparison with the cost of making the "wrong" decision in haste, at the suggestion of - well intentioned! - internet strangers....

Just my 2p worth.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote luke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 18:00
The two cameras named in the title almost couldn't be more different. Why did you chose those, and not, say, a99ii and a7rii?

So why not getting both, the a7sii and the a99ii?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Swede101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 21:16
First, as I have said long ago, it will NEVER be technically/optically possible for "pure" mirrorless cameras to compete with cameras with moving or fixed mirrors when using long telelenses and following fast moving objects.

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It is not that a "pure" mirrorless camera would not manage to focus at all. It can be expected to make good focus, PROVIDED that the lens already is close to focus. In case the object would move fast from or to the camera, the mirrorless AF system would be instable, and if it would lose focus for a moment, it will be totally lost and don't "know" what to do. PDAF systems with a separate AF sensor plate will on the other hand "see" even when far out of focus, and "know" exactly what direction and how long it should go to achieve focus. It will be quick and "determined", while the AF On-chip system would wobble around without "knowing" what to do. :-)

These technical differences are probably the most important factor behind what we can see - Sony DOES NOT want to discontinue A-mount. Despite that the new E-mount system is such a success.

Incidentally - what I also have said before - the fact emphasized above is also one of the main factors that neither Canon nor Nikon has dared to enter the mirrorless FF market yet. Their users of course expect those mirrorless systems to work as fast and reliable with continuous AF using all the existing telelenses out there, as they do with their DSLR cameras. This will not be technically possible. The closest they would come is if they would pay Sony license fees for making an LA-EA4 adapter with Canon EF to EF M-mount, and Nikon F to whatever mount Nikon in such a case would come up with (their Series 1 CX mount would clearly not be sufficient for FF).

I have handled tha A99 II a little. It is unbelievably fast in everything, and the IQ is stunning. It is in many ways (although not all of course) at present the most versatile and prominent camera on the market.

Choose an FF E-mount camera as a complement to A-mount, if you want access to a small and light system, and stunning IQ (for objects that are NOT moving fast to/from you). And for use with good old manual lenses as you know.

But for the speed of EVERYTHING, no A7 camera comes close to compete with the A99 II. The A7 cameras compete more with chewing cows...


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Edited by Swede101 - 19 April 2017 at 01:23
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Post Options Post Options   Quote addy landzaat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 21:38
I think everything that has to be said, has been said:
A-mount is better for the longer stuff.
E-mount is lighter therefore better for some.
AF with screwmount lenses isn't good on E-mount.
Switching is really expensive.
There are several reasons why Sony wants A-mount to stay alive.

The important thing: what kind of photography do you do?
Why are you looking at the A7sII? That is the most video oriented camera of the A7-series. Why not the A7rII?

I use an APS-C E-mount camera next to my A-mount for when I want to go light weight.
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Good summary, Addy.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rssweetman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 April 2017 at 13:38
Originally posted by luke luke wrote:

The two cameras named in the title almost couldn't be more different. Why did you chose those, and not, say, a99ii and a7rii?

So why not getting both, the a7sii and the a99ii?


Quite: the OP is considering between the Flagship Autofocussing camera in the entire Sony full-frame line-up (A99ii) with possibly the worst, in the A7sII!

I get the desire, I desire both for very different reasons but there's so little common ground....
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