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Can someone please point me to this A900 connection. I have yet to see anything with it or connecting it. The only thing is how random asian forums show the off the shelf Sony Flagship mockup at the top of a bunch of threads. Nothing has shown an A900 with a flip or screen, everything with the screen is A200/300

Originally posted by OldScotch OldScotch wrote:

Originally posted by PhotoTraveler PhotoTraveler wrote:

That image to me looks very legit. I would say it is indeed the A300 (most definitely not the A900).


Um... why? The first image on the forum looks a lot like the a900 mock-up at last year's PMA.
 



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Look at the difference between the grip and the optional grip on it.
I think this is still a test/beta model, not to expected on the market very soon.
Maybe somewhere fall as a replacement for the (temporary?) A200?

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Originally posted by Shaocaholica Shaocaholica wrote:

Originally posted by Magnus Wedberg Magnus Wedberg wrote:

Well well, this makes me think my 2011 predictions are arriving even faster than I thought. Alpha Handycam, anyone? ;-)


Well the RED camera system is already here and its got a 12MP Super35 size sensor, can take SLR lenses with an adapter and can capture 12MP at 60fps to a hard disk array using standard protocols. Still, its pricey but the market and technology have already arrived :)


To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.
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Originally posted by wbelac wbelac wrote:


To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.


That sounds cool but I don't have much hope in Sony bringing professional video features to consumer priced cameras. They have too many loyalties and politics with the film and broadcast industries that conflict with releasing consumer video products with pro features even if those features are old tech that can be implemented cheaply. It will take a company like RED which doesn't have all the internal politics to bring affordable professional video to the masses.
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Originally posted by PMacinSeattle PMacinSeattle wrote:



3. A200 body but many A700 internals – so 12 MP CMOS sensor, new Bionz chipset (whereas A200 based on A100 chip)

afaik every other DSLR with LV uses a CMOS chip rather than CCD (presumably there is some kind of advantage with CMOS or a problem with CCD) so that sounds reasonable.
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Hi, I've been away from a computer for three days and miss all the fun.

I really hope this is an EVIL. I love the idea of a camera that is silent because of an electronic shutter and able to shoot from the waist. Really makes for a nice street photography camera. I'm not sure but if it has an electronic shutter does that mean that its SSS will actually be more effective without the mirror slap?
 



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FYI I think the Sony video camera you mention is this one: HVR-Z7EHVR-Z7E it uses interchangeable video lenses (video lenses are built differently to stills lenses) but can use alpha mount lenses with a special adapter... it looks like a great little camera but still uses the Sony HDV format which is horribly compressed. RED on the other hand is another beast altogether which offers full uncompressed 4K video which is a far higher quality than HD - but before you get too excited a decent set of 35mm primes will cost you about L70,000 - and try getting RED to actually deliver one! A little bit off subject for the A200 but there you go.
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Originally posted by Heidfirst Heidfirst wrote:


Originally posted by PMacinSeattle PMacinSeattle wrote:



3. A200 body but many A700 internals – so 12 MP CMOS sensor, new Bionz chipset (whereas A200 based on A100 chip)

afaik every other DSLR with LV uses a CMOS chip rather than CCD (presumably there is some kind of advantage with CMOS or a problem with CCD) so that sounds reasonable.


From what is on this thread we can have a logical guess at:

- A350
- 12MP CMOS
- LIVE VIEW with TILT action screen

Those seem fairly certain AFAIK.

- Better/sturdier build - looks like different finish, better grip (looks similar to my dynax 7)
- EV ? Im not convinced on this one, but only because its quite 'out there' for a DSLR of TODAY
- 10FPS - I cant see that happening, with the A700 at only 5FP. I would welcome 4, no less.
- Same grip as the A200
- Same screen as A200 (?)
- There is a button on the top place that is unknown. Hopefully for metering, but i welcome any external button rather than a menu.

Ive probably missed a few things - add to the list!
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David Kilpatrick said in a DPR thread that he thinks this new camera might have an upscaled version of the R1 sensor: CMOS, 10mp 1.7x crop. A 1.5x crop version would be 12mp, so that fits in to PMac and Ricardo's assumption.


Speaking of DPR (and I hope no-one will mind me hot-linking a pic here), here's an interesting comparison between A200 and A-LV(A350) "stolen" from DPR:



This was done to prove that the LCD's have the same 2.7" size, but I'm more worried by another aspect: the control dial is moved waaay to the left on A-LV. I wonder how will that affect the ergonomics of the camera :(

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Originally posted by cezarL cezarL wrote:

David Kilpatrick said in a DPR thread that he thinks this new camera might have an upscaled version of the R1 sensor: CMOS, 10mp 1.7x crop. A 1.5x crop version would be 12mp, so that fits in to PMac and Ricardo's assumption.


Nope ... this isn't true AFAIK
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And in this comparison a couple of differences I mentioned earlier are (hopefully) more visible:

- the different VF casing
- the choice of body materials
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Kiklop, glad we have that taken out of the way :)
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Originally posted by wbelac wbelac wrote:

To add to this line of thought, I read somewhere that one of the Sony higher end video cameras (pro quality) can use alpha mount lenses. I can't seem to find it again, but I'm pretty sure that I read it.

ALPHA-lenses for BETA-cams.

Mmmhhhhhh.....

That might be an interesting development.
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Anyone notice in that little comparison shot that the viewfinder in the A?? is nice and square, and also dark compared to the a200. To me, that is looking a lot like a EVF in there, NOT a pentamirror. Funny that they kept the shape so similar when functionally they are so different. Probably just for style similarity across the line.

Thanks to whomever put that together...
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