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Is this thread growing fast!!!!
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Originally posted by ricardovaste ricardovaste wrote:

Does it not strike you as quite odd to have a 'lower level' camera (below the A700) but with MORE megapixels???

Its certainly interesting me. Simply because i dont know what it holds, not because of the MP's. CCD OR CMOS will be very important of course, it surely wont be CCD will it???


A700 Mk2 will have more pixels, released in 2 days?

Seriously though, pixels do not the image make. If its a 14MP CCD then perhaps the performance of the A700 is above the new model, regardless of the number of pixels on the packet.

For those sweeping that website, don't forget you need to use different letters as well as numbers, my money is still on A900 at PMA....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TallPaul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 21:24
Originally posted by bharnois bharnois wrote:

For my part I'm really glad I now have the A700. If I'd waited then I'd be tempted by one these 'lesser' cameras.

If SONY wants their share then we'll need the '500 and '900 and that will cover the bases and allow it to happen. Maybe they could skip the '500 if they had to but the '900 is a 'must do'.



Its no good saying "must do" now, in the hope Sony are listening, with two days to go... either there's something in the cabinet or there's not!
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Originally posted by douglasf13 douglasf13 wrote:

Originally posted by colmo colmo wrote:


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I had been hoping Sony would do a K20d-alike, with a nice pentaprism - I suppose that's what the A500 (whenever that shows up) will be. I wonder if liveview is a worthwhile alternative to a glass prism?

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What I don't understand with your post is that the K20D has the same street price as the A700. So Sony DOES have this camera...it just happens to be better spec'ed (aside from MPs.)


The K20d doesn't have a street price yet, because it isn't available (at least not in the UK - Edit: Just found it on Jessops and other sites - L899 is bonkers pricing by Pentax). Actually, the camera I'll be watching for is the Samsung clone, the GX20. I recommended the GX10 to a number of people because it was such a bargain for a long time. The body-only a700 has a UK street price of L700+, and I expect the Samsung twin-lens kit to be L600, just as the GX10 was. The Sony and Pentax/Samsung aren't in the same class, nor do I expect them to live in the same price bracket.

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I only realize now that the A-300K is not a kit with A-300 + kit lens.

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What I can't understand is the large number of different sensors made.

We know that the development costs ( incl. tooling) for a new sensors is very expensive and everybody aims at economy of scale.

Sony seems to produce 5 sensors for brand new products: ccd 10 mp, ccd 14 mp, cmos 12 mp, cmos 12 mp (FF in the D3) and cmos 20+ mp FF for A900

 



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GX-20's RRP is L700.
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Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:

What I can't understand is the large number of different sensors made.

We know that the development costs ( incl. tooling) for a new sensors is very expensive and everybody aims at economy of scale.

Sony seems to produce 5 sensors for brand new products: ccd 10 mp, ccd 14 mp, cmos 12 mp, cmos 12 mp (FF in the D3) and cmos 20+ mp FF for A900


Sony and Canon are remaining pretty level, they have just made more advanced sensors with more megapixels.

Sony 2006ish:
6MP APS-C CMOS, 10MP "R1" CMOS, 10MP APS-C CCD, 12MP "D2X" CMOS
Sony 2008ish:
10MP APS-C CCD, 12MP APS-C CMOS, 14MP APS-C CCD, ??MP FF CMOS

Canon 2006ish:
8MP APS-C CMOS, 10MP APS-C CMOS, 8MP APS-H CMOS, 12MP FF CMOS, 17MP FF CMOS
Canon 2008ish:
10MP APS-C CMOS, 12MP APS-C CMOS, 10MP APS-H CMOS, ??MP FF CMOS, 21MP FF CMOS

The real differences is the additions of Nikon and Pentax/Samsung...

Nikon 2006ish:
4MP APS-C JFET

Nikon 2008ish:
12MP FF CMOS

Pentax/Samsung 2008ish:
14MP APS-C CMOS

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simple fact, that the thread has been moved here, shows, that the new cameras don't even deserve a new sub forum :))

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In the US, I believe the price difference between the K10 and GX10 was about $100 US.
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Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:

We know that the development costs ( incl. tooling) for a new sensors is very expensive and everybody aims at economy of scale.


Yes, but economies of scale work the other way, too ... put two different sensors in what's basically the same camera and you have two different models for the cost of sensor development.

Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:


Sony seems to produce 5 sensors for brand new products: ccd 10 mp


That's an update of an old sensor and presumably Sony has made money selling it to Nikon and Pentax.

Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:

, ccd 14 mp,

New, if true, probably same technology as 10.2 so not a lot of research.

Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:


cmos 12 mp, cmos 12 mp (FF in the D3)


Do we know that Sony produces the sensor for the D3 ? In any event, Nikon designed the sensor and if not manufacturing it themselves, is paying Sony to manufacture it. I'm sure their chip division is happy to take on any new work !

Originally posted by macrophoto macrophoto wrote:


and cmos 20+ mp FF for A900


Guess if you want enough models to compete with everyone else, you need the sensors to differentiate them; at least, unlike Canon, Sony is able to sell sensors to competitors (of course, without those sales, they wouldn't have the kind of production that Canon does).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote macrophoto Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 21:59
I think you are right .... I was talking about one single Sony ...
In reality we see a sensor company and a camera company under the Sony brand
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Originally posted by beline beline wrote:

Kiklop wasn't saying anything about the A900, just that their experience with noise issues will be valuable knowledge for the A900.

If it has been established that Kiklop knows something, I must have missed it, and if he does, from the phrasing of that post, and what I have not found on th image servers, I would say the A900 is still in development, not to be released at PMA.

"sony will have some experiences in noise reduction that may after all be useful knowledge for a900 .. they will need this kind of experience"

"will," "may," "will." (my emphasis) If it's been established that Kiklop knows something he can't tell us, I think he has. These are future tense, and not immediate future tense. "they will need this kind of experience" when developing the A900. Is what I heard. If the A900 were already developed, it would have read more like "sony has some experiences in noise reduction that provided useful knowledge for a900."

That, with missing images, leads me to believe no A900 for PMA.


Hmmm... the way I would read Kiklops hint,
Originally posted by Kiklop Kiklop wrote:

Even i have found something positive in it; sony will have some experiences in noise reduction that may after all be useful knowledge for a900 .. they will need this kind of experience

would be: he knows a900 will have a huge load of mp's stacked on it's sensor!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kiklop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 January 2008 at 22:11
Originally posted by m.b. m.b. wrote:

simple fact, that the thread has been moved here, shows, that the new cameras don't even deserve a new sub forum :))

LOL .. and you replied to me earlier that it was not funny :)
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