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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:06
The A850 already made it into the Wikipedia! here
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:20
Actually, if the street price in Europe will be around EUR 1600 in late autumn, I am really tempted to get the A850 as replacement for my A700. The only feature I really miss in the A700 is AF micro-adjustment, and this will be there in the A850. I do not need liveview and video (although it would be nice, but it is not a show stopper).

Furthermore, I really like small DOF, and instead of buying more fast primes for DX, the F2.8 lenses I already have will do it for me on full frame for now. And I would not need to buy a DX wide angle zoom, because my KM 17-35 would get into action again!

Thus, in the end, a relatively cheap A850 might cost less overall than trying to achieve the same results with DX (at least for me)!

The only downsides with the A850 are the bulk (especially with the necessary extra flash unit) and the pixel overkill which will slow down processing and image transfer and so on... I was really happy after rebuilding my computer this spring so that raw processing felt speedy again with 12 MP images, but with 24 MP it will get slow again :-(

So, in the end, mixed feelings...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:20
So, for those of you who have an A900 and want an A850 as a backup camera...

How are you going to differentiate it in the dark, in your camera bag?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:27
Current available price in UK a900 = L1700,

The a850 would need to be substantially lower to;

a. make any sense in sonys lineup
b. tempt people up from a380/a700/a5**
c. bring in canon and nikon users?
d. justify not paying the difference for the 5fps and 100%vf

I though the a900 WAS the cheap FF option...?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 13:29
Originally posted by albnok albnok wrote:

So, for those of you who have an A900 and want an A850 as a backup camera...

How are you going to differentiate it in the dark, in your camera bag?


The a850 is going to be silver..............
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:00
Damn, while I was sleeping a little A850 seed was planted into my brain.

Now I really want the camera. IF.. the price is right.
But I dont really NEED the camera, I am very happy with my A700.

Urgh.

Any estimates when Sony will officially announce this camera?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:02
Originally posted by Hoffy Hoffy wrote:


One other thing after reading the last few pages. Where has it ever been mentioned that Sony will produce a Low MP FF camera? Or is this just pure wishlist speculation?


Speculation. Pure speculation... But then there is the choice of the a850 designation - on the 300 series the 300 was the lower res model and the '50 a higher res model - doesn't mean they will produce it of course, they could just be keeping options open.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:07
I personally don't see Sony producing a FF SLR lower then 20MP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:12
if the a900 is selling for 2699, and the a700 for 1000, then it would make sense that the a850 sell for about 1800 (usd)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:20
Full-frame digital SLR viewfinder coverage:

Canon 1DsMkIII = 0.76x * 100% = 76%
Sony A900 = 0.74x * 100% = 74%
Sony A850 = 0.74x * 98% = 72.52%
Nikon D3x = 0.7x * 100% = 70%
Canon 5DMkII = 0.71x * 98% = 69.58%
Nikon D700 = 0.72x * 95% = 68.4%

We still get #3 yay!

PeteMag: LOL!

jdkeck]: Imagine somebody walking into a shop.

"What's your budget sir?"
"Here we have a Nikon D300s, with Live View, video, 7 FPS..."
"Here we have a Sony A850 for the same price, with full-frame and 24 megapixels..."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:45
I'll take the D300s please, because it has a built in flash, live view, HD video, 7fps, obvious upgrade path, I won't have to buy L1000 + Carl Zeizz glass to get decent quality and because full-frame + 24 megapixels doesn't mean jack to most people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:50
Originally posted by albnok albnok wrote:

So, for those of you who have an A900 and want an A850 as a backup camera...

How are you going to differentiate it in the dark, in your camera bag?


Does it even matter ? The more important question is, why are you trying to "differentiate" ?

I would LOVE to add an A850 as a backup and unlike the doom-and-gloom specialists, I am convinced that the introduction of the A850 is a brilliant master-stroke by Sony. This is a move that will have a long term impact on the direction of DSLR photography, IMO.

I see one group of people who seem to be bitterly disappointed by this announcement. These are the folks who bought into the idea (even promoted by some very vocally) that the upcoming A850 would be an A700-on-steroids. Essentially a D300s version from Sony. I think this segment need to retire back into their study, and take a breather.

Their camera will come as the future A7xx (not the A500/550, mind you), since this is a serious enough segment that Sony is smart enough to not ignore.

However, in this specific release of the A850, let the folks who truly wanted a Full-frame but could not afford the A900's price of entry, be the ones who have their wishes come true. Let us not rain on their joyous moment, with our doom-and-gloom sentiments.

To me, the prefix of "8" in the model numbering was the clearest giveaway that the A850 was simply not an APS-C at all but a glorious new Full-frame. My guess (which was proved incorrect), was that this would be a composite (plastic) bodied, penta-mirror equipped Full-frame, with some serious downgrades over the A900, but what actually got revealed, was a literal twin of the A900, with the same type of Penta-prism viewfinder, the same superb Magnesium-alloy sealed body, the same dual-card-slot capability, the same high-resolution sensor (to me, a 10MP equivalent APS-C's pixel density in a Full-frame, is not excessive at all, unlike what many people think) which makes this product all the more exciting to potential people who could not afford the A900's price of entry.....but can now guilt-lessly enter into the exciting world of Full-frame photography and stop dabbling in APS-C any more.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:56
Well I can certainly see my A700 becoming my backup after selling my 7D and using an A850 as my primary camera.

The futures bright and it's full frame.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 August 2009 at 14:58
Originally posted by Hoffy Hoffy wrote:

I personally don't see Sony producing a FF SLR lower then 20MP

I can't see that happen either.
Sony has made their move with their sensor choice and from marketing reason there is no way they can go back (unless some radical technology development happens but none of these is on the horizon). I tried to explain that once a900 was released but not many shared my view.
All of those dreaming or wishing such a possibility will probably be disappointed IMHO.
Nikon and Canon are in different position since they need to pay attention to those needing fast action cameras with high FPS rates which does limit the amount of data that can be handled.
d3x isn't a replacement for d3 just as the d700x (if will be released of course) is unlikely to replace d700.
CaNikon does have this type of userbase which on one hand means obligation to satisfy certain type of their consumers (and keep the supremacy of cameras seen on sport events for example :)) but in return provides a market big enough to cover the expense of R&D. None of these is true for Sony which influences directions in which they can go in the short term.

p.s.
there is one scenario in which a low res Sony camera would be possible. It is very, very unlikely (because of the above mentioned reasons and then few more) but maybe still worth noting for those who like to dream :). If for whatever reason Sony would design a sensor for Nikon d4 type of camera (d3 sensor as far we know isn't a sony one) then they may (or may not) have the right to use it in their own cameras.
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