FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

"Birdscapes" - does it work?

Page  12>
Author
nandbytes View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 09 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Posts: 3630
Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: "Birdscapes" - does it work?
    Posted: 25 October 2019 at 00:00
First time in part of the world (i.e. critics corner), so bear with me....

I don't know if this is something that's been done to death or common or if it even works (may be its a terrible idea)

But its something I have tried to "see" and photograph a few times when the setting allows for it. I have a few pictures of birds but in a more landscape-like setting than a the standard get as close as possible shots!

#1


#2


#3 - same as above with selective colour for obvious reason. if selective colour feels like -> I don't blame you


#4 - less leafy and more watery setting (though I am pretty sure this is common)


if people feel I should stop wasting time go back to what I normally do and get close to these I shall also oblige
AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN
 



Back to Top
pegelli View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Dyxum Administrator

Joined: 02 June 2007
Country: Belgium
Location: Schilde
Status: Offline
Posts: 38484
Post Options Post Options   Quote pegelli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2019 at 08:31
I like them Anand, the first the pose of the Egret is special and the frame of nature around is helping to bring that out. I also like the original version of the kingfisher, for me the fall colours in the background add an extra colour contrast with the bird that the selective coloured version misses. The selective coloured version feels lees "natural" to me which I'm not sure is something you want to achieve. The fourth is just nice, not filling the whole frame with this type of background is indeed more common.

I think there is no right or wrong between close vs. providing the environment/context, both have their place and can result in good photo's.
You can see the April Foolishness 2023 exhibition here Another great show of the talent we have on Dyxum
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 4074
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2019 at 12:43
Absolutely!
I agree, and not only because I don't have the lenses (or the skill and patience ) to get amazing close-ups.
I like your pictures, Anand, and I think the ones you show here are almost perfectly framed. I'd only comment that I personally find human and animal subjects look better looking to the centre from a short distance away (not necessarily the 1/3 often suggested) so I would probably put the heron a bit to the left and the razorbills nearer the centre.

Interestingly, I've been thinking exactly the same as you about train pictures. Almost everyone seems to want either close-ups or tight crops from further away (and to be fair they've been doing this for a century) but I prefer to see the train in a setting.
Tight crops are okay of you're making an identification guide, or if you're hoping to wow your audience with your skill at getting close-ups, but they can get terribly boring and it's also very far from how most of us actually see birds (or trains).
So, no, Anand, don't give up your concept - run with it, explore more or less, and keep us in the loop!
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
Back to Top
nandbytes View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 09 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Posts: 3630
Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2019 at 09:19
Thank you folks for commenting

As for the Kingfisher my missus said she could barely notice it so I felt selectively colouring would help that

But personally I prefer the selectively coloured one simply because I think its the only place where it actually doesn't seem too cheesy and adds a sombre look/feel to the picture.

@Miranda: Interesting you should mention not having enough reach/lenses. These were taken with the same lenses I take close-ups with. First one was shot at 560mm and kingfisher at 600mm.

I actually find its really hard to find a setting that works for such pictures. Simply zooming out to 100-200mm from a close-up picture/framing just results in a tiny bird with rubbish background and ambiance.

Interesting point on trains, I will explore this also
AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN
Back to Top
Hezu View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 13 October 2007
Country: Finland
Location: HKI/KSNK
Status: Offline
Posts: 4736
Post Options Post Options   Quote Hezu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2019 at 11:19
I think I will voice a nod more critical opinions on these:

1. Perhaps bit too central composition and despite that these are "birdscapes" I think tighter framing might been better...

2. & 3. Somehow I think that the position of the bird in the frame should be different: perhaps more conformant with the rule of thirds and the bird closer to the right edge.

3. As a positive thing: the selective colouring works fine.

4. In its current form this is quite boring picture IMHO. I think lower shooting angle would have made this more interesting.
Back to Top
stevo71 View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 15 December 2011
Country: Australia
Location: Perth
Status: Offline
Posts: 1854
Post Options Post Options   Quote stevo71 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2019 at 11:40
I like a pulled back bird shot that showcases the environment as much as the bird especially when composed well.
a99ii | Tamron 90mm f/2.8 | Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 | Sony 50mm f/1.4 | Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 | CZ 16-35mm f/2.8 | Sony 70-400mm G2
 



Back to Top
Kilkry View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 06 August 2008
Country: Sweden
Location: ISO1600
Status: Offline
Posts: 2782
Post Options Post Options   Quote Kilkry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2019 at 12:34
I quite like these. The norm is bird faces close up, "tight crop", and "birdscapes" are a nice alternative. I agree with Hez on nr 1, at least that the bird would perhaps fit better some ways down and to the left.

Now where is that Oktoberfest..
-
Back to Top
nandbytes View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 09 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Posts: 3630
Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 October 2019 at 21:09
Thank you folk for commenting. As for the framing these are straight out of the camera (been trying to compose as much as possible in camera). But there's plenty of pixel in there to cropin and re-frame.

As per advice above I have reframed #1-3 to be more rule of thirds friendly (#4 was just meant to be an example of something I felt was more common than first 3)

#1m2


#2m2


#3m2
AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN
Back to Top
Fred_S View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 12 January 2017
Country: Netherlands
Location: Noord Holland
Status: Offline
Posts: 13676
Post Options Post Options   Quote Fred_S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 October 2019 at 08:26
For me the m2 versions work slightly better, still showing enough of the environment, but just a bit more emphasis on the birds.
Back to Top
nandbytes View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 09 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Posts: 3630
Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 October 2019 at 11:43
if I may say so in case of the kingfishers I like second re-done version (a little more cropping could also work). In case of the Heron I prefer my original despite mostly central composition (I am not one to follow rules )
AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN
Back to Top
Dena View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 02 November 2015
Country: United States
Location: Arkansas
Status: Offline
Posts: 1112
Post Options Post Options   Quote Dena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 October 2019 at 18:18
I appreciate a tight detailed bird photo, but like them in environment better. They can still be large in the photo in that case as well. I see it as documentary versus story telling.
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 4074
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2019 at 06:07
Originally posted by Fred_S Fred_S wrote:

For me the m2 versions work slightly better, still showing enough of the environment, but just a bit more emphasis on the birds.

+1
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
Back to Top
nandbytes View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 09 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Posts: 3630
Post Options Post Options   Quote nandbytes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 December 2019 at 23:22
Continuing on the theme, this has got be my recent favourite...

AG Photography
A7RV, 20-70G, 70-200GII, Viltrox16mm/1.8, 35/1.4GM, Sammy85/1.4II, 500DN
Back to Top
Miranda F View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member

Joined: 11 January 2014
Country: United Kingdom
Location: Bristol
Status: Offline
Posts: 4074
Post Options Post Options   Quote Miranda F Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 December 2019 at 16:30
Yes ... works for me!
He's just saying ... the centre of the picture is just *there*.
Miranda F & Sensorex, Sony A7Rii, A58, Nex-6, Dynax 4, 5, 60, 500si/600si/700si/800si, various Sony & Minolta lenses, several Tamrons, lots of MF primes and *far* too many old film cameras ...
Back to Top
Dyxum main page >  Forum Home > Dyxum Photographs > Dyxum Critics Corner Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.110 seconds.

Monitor calibration strip

Dyxum.com - Home of the alpha system photographer

In memory of Cameron Hill - brettania

Feel free to contact us if needed.