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    Posted: 14 July 2019 at 18:57
I'm very late to the e-mount party. I couldn't tell you any of the lens in FE mount prior to yesterday, when I spent the day playing with an A7Riii along with the 24 1.4, 50 1.4, 85 1.4, 85 1.8, 135 1.8, 70-200, 100-400 and 200-600. Probably was a very silly thing to do because prior to Saturday I was quite happy with my A99s and the lens list I've thoughtfully built up over time, supported by a nice set of 77mm filters to fit those nice consistent 77mm filter thread lenses.

But with the camera shop that hosted the Saturday event offering 10% off everything, plus the Sony cashback, plus being so impressed by the A7Riii, I'm trying to map out how to move across. I don't have a huge pot of money, so the LEA4 adaptor and an A7iii (I don't want to buy a new laptop to handle those 42mp images!) are the starting point. The question then is which lenses to sell/trade and which to buy.

So currently I have:
2x A99 +1 grip
sigma 35 1.4
16-35cz
24-70cz
70-200G
70-400G2
85cz
135cz

aside from the A7iii and LEA4 adaptor, I'd eventually be looking for similar line up:
16-35
24-70
35 1.4
85 1.4 or 1.8
135 1.8
70-200
200-600

I much prefer shooting with my primes, so I guess it makes sense to buy the FE mount primes first? Or am I better off using the adaptor with A mount primes and getting zooms first - is the adaptor (or conversely, the AF of the A7iii) better suited to zooms or primes?

Any other tips greatly appreciated.
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Of the lenses you list, all have in lens motors with the exception of the 85 and 135. Because of this you can adapt the motorsed lenses with the la-ea3 and they will work well on the A7iii series cameras. The 85 and 135, being screw mount, will need the la-ea4 which has a very limited number of af points.

My suggestion therefore would be to replace the 135 and 85 first.
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The LA-EA4 is bigger and knoblyer than the LA-EA3. My Nex won't stand up on the table or fit some tripods with LA-EA2 on (same physical size as LA-EA4?) unless I fit them to the LA itself (don't know if this is true of A7iii), so the LA-EA3 with in-lens motors has something to be said for medium-term use.
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Firstly as suggested by Stuart above ditch the EA4 for EA3 which means you can make use of things like eyeAF and also have AF points converage across the frame.

Replace the 85mm and 135mm your options are as follows:
Sony 85mm f1.8
Zeiss Batis 85mm f1.8 OSS
Sigma ART 85mm f1.8
Samyang AF 85mm f1.4
Sony 85mm f1.4 GM

Zeiss Batis 135mm f2.8
Sony 135mm f1.8 GM
Sigma ART 235mm f1.8

Then slowly sell your a-mount glass and only replace ones you actually use.

Edited by nandbytes - 14 July 2019 at 22:58
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Although my trajectory is different (NEX3 - A57 - A6000 - A99 - A99II) I feel in a similar situation. I started with an A7 and I have added a A7Rii (the A7 will be converted to full spectrum).

I think I will hold on to the A99II as long as possible - and it's really hard to imagine to get rid of the much liked 85cz and the 135cz for me although that means manual focus on the LA-EA3 (I have no LA-EA4, so far). My A-mount list is a bit longer, unfortunately (creating gear/mount inertia).

After getting the A7 my first native lens was the 24-240 - which is good (after servicing - getting a new lens block) for 24MP - but it is at its limits with 42MP. Nevertheless, it's a very versatile lens (up to 180mm). My second native lens was the 16-35cz F/4 zoom which I love - it's supersharp, the kind of Zeiss lens which really fulfills my expectations (not to be taken for granted for Zeiss zoom lenses).

So my general strategy is holding on to the A99II and its best lenses and adding some FE-mount gear that is clearly smaller and lighter. The 16-35cz is much smaller and lighter than my Tamron 15-30. Since I started with the NEX3 I collected some older gear from film days - all with manual focus. This has put a brake on spending to much on new FE-mount lenses.

Maybe you could keep one A99 - which is an excellent camera (I miss it although I have an A99II) and the cz primes (maybe the Sigma 35 as well - works with the LA-EA3) and think about the A-mount zooms going first (with the 70-400G2 as the last one). If you ever decide to get a 24mm and a 50mm prime the A-mount alternatives are still feasible (with the LA-EA3). But I think the FE 24-105 is clearly beating the cz24-70 ZA.

Do weight and size play a role for you? Does your style of photography and the choice of photographic objects create a particular affinity with some of the newer FE lens offerings? Can you imagine to keep two systems simultaneously (with adapters to bridge A to FE)?

Difficult decisions await you, Simon!
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Thanks for everyone's comments so far. Firstly the 24-105 wasn't on my radar as I expect that kind of range to be weak, but reading the reviews it sounds like it's a bit of a unicorn. The drop from my cz f2.8 to this f4 does t worry me as it's not a lens I often use wide open (would jump to a prime). Secondly, adaptors...

I obviously need to have another play with the LA-EA3. I managed to borrow one on Saturday for 5 minutes or so right at the end of the day, but found many of focus options unavailable. It was with the 24-70 and DMF for example wasn't available. To focus manually I had to use the switch on the body which didn't work well with my approach of AF first then into MF. Also focus peaking didn't seem to be available either. But perhaps those issues are things I needed to change in the settings of the body I was using (A7iii)? For my screw drive lenses I presume focus peaking also doesn't work with LA-EA3? Must confess I don't really understand why it wouldn't work since it's just an overlay of the analysis of what's hitting the sensor no? (Proving my lack of technical knowledge now!). This would more be for my sigma 180 3.5 macro (which I forgot to mention above).

Weight and size are not really concerns to be honest, but always a nice benefit. Anand, thanks for the list of options at 85 and 135. Interesting Samyang are now doing AF lenses, will have to look it up in the database. I think I'll almost certainly go for the 135 1.8 GM though because the alpha 135cz is my most used lense and really want the best possible at that length. I don't tend to use the 85 so much so the 1.8 battis is perhaps the way to go there.
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Originally posted by Tricky01 Tricky01 wrote:

Thanks for everyone's comments so far. Firstly the 24-105 wasn't on my radar as I expect that kind of range to be weak, but reading the reviews it sounds like it's a bit of a unicorn. The drop from my cz f2.8 to this f4 does t worry me as it's not a lens I often use wide open (would jump to a prime). Secondly, adaptors...

I obviously need to have another play with the LA-EA3. I managed to borrow one on Saturday for 5 minutes or so right at the end of the day, but found many of focus options unavailable. It was with the 24-70 and DMF for example wasn't available. To focus manually I had to use the switch on the body which didn't work well with my approach of AF first then into MF. Also focus peaking didn't seem to be available either. But perhaps those issues are things I needed to change in the settings of the body I was using (A7iii)? For my screw drive lenses I presume focus peaking also doesn't work with LA-EA3? Must confess I don't really understand why it wouldn't work since it's just an overlay of the analysis of what's hitting the sensor no? (Proving my lack of technical knowledge now!). This would more be for my sigma 180 3.5 macro (which I forgot to mention above).

Weight and size are not really concerns to be honest, but always a nice benefit. Anand, thanks for the list of options at 85 and 135. Interesting Samyang are now doing AF lenses, will have to look it up in the database. I think I'll almost certainly go for the 135 1.8 GM though because the alpha 135cz is my most used lense and really want the best possible at that length. I don't tend to use the 85 so much so the 1.8 battis is perhaps the way to go there.


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Previously I also avoided 24-105mm lenses because they were never sharp across the range, In fact most of them sucks at 105mm. But the Sony 24-105mm is the first 24-105mm that excels across the range and wide open aperture. I have fallen in love with this lens which is rare (as I told you).

DMF is the only option that's not available with EA3. The rest should work just fine.
You get focus peaking with adapters. IN manual focus you get focus peaking regardless of the lens and adapter combination you use.

I think it would be prudent to make use of e-mount's weight advantage where possible. You mention you like to have two bodies. Imagine having a classic 35/85 combo that's small. I say skip the f1.4 primes and go with f1.8 primes for 35mm and 85mm. Sony 35mm f1.8 has only recently been announced so its still on pre-order.
There isn't much point buying the batis 85mm f1.8. The Sony 85mm f1.8 is basically the same and renders the the same way. Only difference is batis is slightly larger and has OSS which is not really an issues with A7III since body has IBIS.
Lastly, if 135mm is your most used lens then 135GM is THE best 135mm lens on the market right now.
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Check out my july challenge pics. All my shots have been with the 24-105. I will put it up against any zoom from any manufacturer. As for moving over to e mount. I'm glad I switched over a few years back and was able to recoup some $ for my a mount gear. The days of the mirrored camera are winding down and that's obvious from every manufacturers strategies. My advice to you and it might be unpopular on this board is to sell it all and go all in on e mount. Sony has killed it in lens design and camera designs for the e mount in the last two years.
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What I did was keep my a900 for long zooms and used the E-mount for short lenses.

So... a possible option is keep an a99 rather than get an adpater and move over gradually that way.
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Or, sell the a99's and upgrade to an a99II. Just a thought for your consideration.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tricky01 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2019 at 17:15
Originally posted by stiuskr stiuskr wrote:

Or, sell the a99's and upgrade to an a99II. Just a thought for your consideration.
it's an interesting suggestion but I just don't see a long term future for alpha now and if I'm going to upgrade it feels e mount is the right way to go. I will miss the articulating screen though as I do find myself shooting portrait oriented images from low down with the screen folded out and round. I'll adapt though :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bonneville Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2019 at 17:56
FWIW this was my route into FE camera and lenses: New Year 2018 I decided to bite the bullet and traded virtually all of my A-mount stuff; A850, A77ii and a host of Sony lenses in very good condition through WEX. In return I started with an a7ii and the f4 trinity - 12-24 G, 24-70 ZA and 70-200 G which pretty much covered all my bases as a starter.

I have since added two stunning Batis primes and, just for fun, the lovely Loxia f2 Planar with my latest acquisition the 90 f2.8 Macro G. (I also have a Canon FD f2.8 Tilt-Shift with an FD-NEX adapter for my occasional forays into architectural shoots). On my wish list is an upgrade to an a7iii and the new 200-600 is very tempting.

Almost certainly I could have got more selling separately and privately but I just couldn't be bothered with the potential hassle or the fact that the changeover would have taken a lot longer.

I wish you well with your quest. I am very very happy with my set up now.

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Originally posted by bonneville bonneville wrote:

FWIW this was my route into FE camera and lenses: New Year 2018 I decided to bite the bullet and traded virtually all of my A-mount stuff; A850, A77ii and a host of Sony lenses in very good condition through WEX. In return I started with an a7ii and the f4 trinity - 12-24 G, 24-70 ZA and 70-200 G which pretty much covered all my bases as a starter.

I have since added two stunning Batis primes and, just for fun, the lovely Loxia f2 Planar with my latest acquisition the 90 f2.8 Macro G. (I also have a Canon FD f2.8 Tilt-Shift with an FD-NEX adapter for my occasional forays into architectural shoots). On my wish list is an upgrade to an a7iii and the new 200-600 is very tempting.

Almost certainly I could have got more selling separately and privately but I just couldn't be bothered with the potential hassle or the fact that the changeover would have taken a lot longer.

I wish you well with your quest. I am very very happy with my set up now.


Thanks Brian, yes, it’s hard work selling privately and the hassle is annoying, but while I was prepared for the prices LONDON camera exchange will offer, that 20-30% lower price to what things sell on eBay for add up to quite a large amount. Tonight will be a night of photographing everything and then hopefully have everything sold by end of the weekend. Understand your ‘f4 trinity’ logic, and that 12-24 will definitely be on the list eventually, but I get too lazy with zooms and almost always prefer my compositions and images with primes so will save the 70-200 for now.
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Today I went into LCE to try a whole host of lenses on the LEA3 and LEA4 adaptors. The LEA3 worked so well with everything that that will be the route I go and take your advice, Stuart1701, to move on the 85 and 135 cz screw drive lenses. I will keep the Sigma 180 3.5 macro because although also screw drive, the focus peaking works great and there don't seem to be any other macros at this length available. I tend to MF with this anyway.

While I really like the sound of the 24-105, I need to cut some corners cash wise so having just found the 24-70 F4 in a good deal on Amazon Prime days (559gbp minus 80gbp Sony cashback) I'll go that route until I can afford the 24-105. I'll also get the 85 1.8, A7iii, LEA3 adaptor and plan to use the a-mount sigma 35 1.4, and 16-35cz and 70-400GII, selling everything else. Then get the 135 1.8 and 200-600 a bit further down the line.

Thanks again for all your advice. as ever, Dyxum is such a wonderful community resource and I owe you all a beer at the next Dyxum meet
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